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You posted this seriously thinking it wouldn't go into the UWS zone? -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 09:12AM It really hasn't thus far...been a fairly productive thread. -- vthokieq 06/30/2017 09:14AM Deleted for q's sanity. And mine. -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 09:16AM Can always count on you. ** -- vthokieq 06/30/2017 09:16AM I know one thing: the Federal Government is not the answer -- Hokie Koooster 06/30/2017 08:20AM Problem with the Feds running anything is its not just a health -- RaleighHokie15 06/30/2017 09:03AM That's certainly a problem, but the Feds can't run much of anything right -- Hokie Koooster 06/30/2017 10:26AM We need to return to using leeches. Their cheap and available. ** -- HokieNLot11 06/29/2017 11:02PM Their cheap and available what? -- HWA 06/30/2017 09:08AM Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber ** -- Brown Water 06/29/2017 11:32PM Much of the country confuses -- RTFC 06/29/2017 10:39PM There are so many bad doctors. They face more financial pressure than ever -- ModerateHokie 06/29/2017 9:28PM That's a lawyer problem, not a doctor problem. -- USN_Hokie 06/29/2017 11:37PM Over simplifying clap clap clap ** -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 09:17AM Not an argument clap clap clap ** -- USN_Hokie 06/30/2017 5:09PM Ok. Here goes... -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 5:48PM Agree with your points, disagree on the order. ** -- USN_Hokie 06/30/2017 8:07PM I didn't put them in any particular order. ** -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 8:31PM The oxy epidemic was the result of drug companies downplaying risk ** -- ModerateHokie 06/30/2017 12:28AM LOL...exactly what a lawyer would say. ** -- USN_Hokie 06/30/2017 5:08PM Not an argument clap clap clap ** -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 5:36PM Actually, it is. He's a lawyer. -- USN_Hokie 06/30/2017 8:09PM I was pointing out your bias above. Mine? -- CPRVHokie 06/30/2017 8:36PM Actually, it is. He's a lawyer. -- USN_Hokie 06/30/2017 8:09PM Couple of things that trouble me: -- Newt 06/29/2017 8:55PM True that.... my ideas below put a whole crapload of folks out of work. -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 9:09PM Agree the inertia of the current system seems unstoppable -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 9:05PM The correct way to solve the tax & healthcare problem would be to change -- Hoakie82 06/29/2017 9:20PM Glad I've got AFLAC!!! ** -- BusLoadaBozos 06/29/2017 8:27PM Quack Quack!!!! ** -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 9:04PM Catastrophic illness insurance -- TomTurkey 06/29/2017 8:13PM I feel like that's what I have now. -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 8:38PM My eye drops are $60 and "retail" for $270 -- TomTurkey 06/29/2017 8:49PM I could fix it in a hurry! Got to make the pie smaller. -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 8:01PM Here's the one stumbling block -- Nova Hokie 95 06/29/2017 8:10PM See "audits" that "reward good outcomes" below. There are dishonest folks -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 8:16PM 1st thing I thought of and it'll result in even more lawsuits. ** -- HokieinTampa 06/29/2017 8:13PM They risk lawsuits by not ordering tests. -- EDGEMAN 06/29/2017 8:20PM Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. ** -- HokieinTampa 06/29/2017 8:58PM But to get the tests you need pre-authorization from insurance company... -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 9:27PM I like it. I'd add tort reform. ** -- MCL3 Hokie 06/29/2017 8:10PM Yep! or keep the lawyers out of it completely by establishing peer review -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 8:13PM Great job everyone! A true adult conversation without UWS'ing it ** -- Newt 06/29/2017 7:51PM Just had this same conversation with a friend last night -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 9:21PM YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!! -- Late 80s Hokie 06/30/2017 08:32AM Oh, the night is yet young! It can go downhill in a hurry! ** -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 9:06PM The basic fundamental flaw of our system is as follows -- vt_mughal 06/29/2017 7:44PM Consumers nor doctors know or understand the costs -- Hokie Chris 06/30/2017 11:42AM Re: The basic fundamental flaw of our system is as follows ** -- BleedinOandM 06/30/2017 06:46AM Why do we need insurance companies? -- Hokie madman 06/29/2017 7:57PM I think there ought to be savings plans of some kind. Lord knows the IRS -- Coach McGuirk 06/29/2017 8:08PM What, your wife refused to just give birth in the bathtub? ** -- MP4VT2004 06/29/2017 9:12PM WRONG on so many levels -- vt_mughal 06/29/2017 8:02PM I'm with mughal on this -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 8:25PM People question what it costs all the time -- Hokie madman 06/29/2017 9:05PM Is healthcare really an emergency "most of the time," though? -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 9:15PM I've never had cancer, but I would consider it to be an emergency -- Hokie madman 06/29/2017 9:45PM Cancer wouldn't be an "I'll die in the next 5 minutes" emergency -- Late 80s Hokie 06/30/2017 08:30AM The only time I dealt with something similar was during a period I was -- Tafkam Hokie 06/30/2017 4:46PM Great explanation. -- 48zip 06/30/2017 09:08AM Going through something very similar right now. -- vthokieq 06/30/2017 09:06AM I agree with you in theory. The problem I haven't been able to figure out.. -- VTBB 06/29/2017 9:04PM Even assuming inflated prices, the principle is the same. -- Hokie madman 06/29/2017 8:08PM ^THIS^. Insurance industry has a choke hold on politicians -- vt_mughal 06/29/2017 7:36PM I might be mistaken about this... -- SteveInBaltimore 06/29/2017 8:32PM The rest of the modern world has answers ** -- hokeyhokie 06/29/2017 7:24PM They started their universal systems when med. costs were low -- lchoro 06/30/2017 4:49PM But none of them work well ** -- 133743Hokie 06/29/2017 7:47PM Not sure how many of those models are scaleable to the size of the US -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 7:33PM I don't see how the populations size effect the viability of a healthcare -- Hoakie82 06/29/2017 8:00PM I guess I've worked at small companies, medium ones, large ones -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 9:27PM I can understand there's a difference for 10, 100,000 or a million but if -- Hoakie82 06/29/2017 10:11PM Try doing anything for a group. Now increase it 10x & tell me it's the same -- HokieinTampa 06/30/2017 06:16AM We'll have to agree to disagree that size is the problem. There is no -- Hoakie82 06/30/2017 11:36AM Diversity and delivery. In fact the more people that can participate -- vt_mughal 06/29/2017 8:07PM I agree mostly, although drug prices are only a part of the problem. It's -- Hoakie82 06/29/2017 8:57PM You don't see the difference between 30M and 300M & how it relates? ** -- HokieinTampa 06/29/2017 8:03PM Other than one is 270 million larger, no I don't. ** -- Hoakie82 06/29/2017 9:02PM But they aren't without their challenges either. Canada, NZ, Australia -- HokieinTampa 06/29/2017 7:32PM Yep. -- Hokieesith 06/29/2017 6:45PM Given that there is no perfect system, I'd rather have single -- UTPr0sim 06/29/2017 6:38PM The problem with single payer (government) is that there is no leveraging.. -- Hokie in CT 06/29/2017 6:54PM I could agree, but ONLY if it is at the state level, and not the federal -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 6:50PM 50 different systems??? I don't think so..... JMHO ** -- DonHo-kieHi 06/29/2017 7:40PM Competitive systems. Competition between states would help quality. ** -- RTFC 06/29/2017 9:50PM I also think letting different states do different things will help -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 11:27PM But if the alternative is one system run by our federal government -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 8:56PM The Scandinavian municipality health care works pretty good. ** -- UTPr0sim 06/29/2017 6:54PM Smaller than the size of Virginia I believe ** -- 133743Hokie 06/29/2017 7:48PM Considering the amount I'm already paying in premiums/deductibles... -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 6:45PM I think both sides are framing the problem incorrectly -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 6:27PM $500 is absurd for all of those entities having to deal with your issue ** -- 133743Hokie 06/29/2017 7:49PM Absolutely... that is just being lazy and not doing even rudimentary math -- No1Hokie 06/29/2017 11:04PM $22000? Good God! ** -- Hokieesith 06/29/2017 6:46PM To be clear, that was the bill. Insurance knocked it way down -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 7:26PM I don't usually engage in these serious discussions, but I have to ask... -- Coach McGuirk 06/29/2017 7:44PM Good questions. I'll try to answer. -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 8:52PM Couple of thousand at most. ** -- Hokieesith 06/29/2017 8:06PM I'd expect to pay that for a quality night out. -- Coach McGuirk 06/29/2017 8:15PM That's about what I pay a year before the insurance even kicks in. -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 7:09PM OMG. That's outrageous. ** -- Hokieesith 06/29/2017 7:11PM Ya think? -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 7:16PM The insurance companies pay half of what would be billed to an individual. -- Hokie in CT 06/29/2017 6:51PM I've seen way less that that. ** -- 48zip 06/30/2017 12:47PM The roots of that are very deep ... -- vt90 06/29/2017 6:31PM That, and they pad the bill to pay for the ones w/no insurance. ** -- BMoreHokie 06/29/2017 6:47PM Insurance is for chumps. I quit going to the doctor years ago. -- Coach McGuirk 06/29/2017 6:16PM Born in 1776, avg lifespan was 36. ** -- 48zip 06/29/2017 6:41PM Forget everything else in this thread. The solution is Logan's Run. ** -- Tafkam Hokie 06/30/2017 01:16AM Boom... who needs to live past 45 anyway? ** -- HokieinTampa 06/29/2017 6:40PM Interstate risk pools ** -- MEHOKIE 06/29/2017 6:09PM ...only insurance product not priced on risk ** -- chumley 06/29/2017 7:29PM Actually, there are a lot of good ideas on both sides ... -- vt90 06/29/2017 6:07PM Solution there -- RTFC 06/29/2017 10:58PM Totally agree. As long as politics is seen as a career and not a service... -- MP4VT2004 06/29/2017 6:14PM And regarding healthcare, I think the insane costs... -- MP4VT2004 06/29/2017 6:19PM I saw somewhere that on a typical health care bill, only about 10-15% of it -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 6:30PM Interesting...never heard an actual statistic about it. Let's add in... -- MP4VT2004 06/29/2017 9:08PM Ok, friend just got hernia surgery outpatient -- VaTechie 06/29/2017 6:54PM Agree, it is definitely high. All I'm saying is even with major -- Tafkam Hokie 06/29/2017 7:21PM Shakespeare was a wise man. ** -- vt90 06/29/2017 6:25PM Well...we can't depend on a bunch of lawyers (Congress) that pretty much... -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 6:24PM Insurance is why I didn't go bankrupt when my kids were born. -- Naelbis 06/29/2017 8:56PM Nowhere did I advocate getting rid of insurance. -- vthokieq 06/29/2017 9:06PM
