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Pride_and_Joy

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You're referring to them as "not reliable" but I'm not sure that's


what you're demonstrating.

What you're demonstrating is that the recruiting rankings lack predictive validity when (using NFL draft status as the outcome of interest).

Before deciding if recruiting rankings are "BS," one might want to consider a few relevant questions:

1. What are recruiting rankings and ratings intended to measure?

2. For what, if anything, are recruiting rankings and ratings appropriate for predicting?

Measures (and that is what recruiting rankings and ratings are) are generally not viewed as valid or invalid. Rather, a measure is viewed as valid or invalid FOR A PARTICULAR USE.

It would never occur to me to use the rankings of high school football players to try to predict future NFL draft position. The NFL draft has a extremely small base rate and there are so many intervening variables between high school and the draft. Therefore, the failure of recruiting rankings to predict NFL draft position doesn't, in my mind, invalidate recruiting rankings.

I would look to a more proximal criterion than NFL draft position. If I'm not mistaken, most recruiting services rate players and use the star system to describe a player's readiness to contribue at the college level (a more proximal outcome to high school football than the NFL draft).

Of course, there will be LOTS of other variables that also contribue to a player's readiness. S&C, avoidance of injuries, the system, depth and talent and one's position, the ability of the position coach to develop the player's talents, etc.

If you expect recruiting rankings to account for most of variance in college football performance, or more outlandishly, NFL draft position, then you have very unrealistic expectations for predictive models of performance outcomes.

If recruiting rankings can account for 10% of the variance in college player performance (that isn't accounted for by other predictors), that's an incremental gain in knowledge and prediction -- and therefore isn't BS.

Just My Opinion.

(In response to this post by Flanker)

Posted: 12/22/2021 at 4:40PM



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  Interesting analysis, and aligns with what I would have guessed. -- Wilmington Hokie 12/23/2021 11:45AM
  Gotta wait five years to see how things turn out. -- Flanker 12/23/2021 4:02PM
  There is nothing wrong with the ranking system. -- cvillehokie07 12/23/2021 05:22AM
  I disagree -- Flanker 12/23/2021 4:09PM
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  Good Catch! -- Flanker 12/22/2021 9:00PM
  David Robinson has huge growth spurt as well.** ** -- NavyHokie 12/22/2021 7:25PM
  What do you mean “90-95% is reliable in my book” -- Pride_and_Joy 12/22/2021 10:56PM
  What I meant was ... -- Flanker 12/23/2021 12:05AM
  So 90% is just a completely arbitrary standard you created. -- Pride_and_Joy 12/23/2021 01:34AM
  90% is a good standard -- Flanker 12/23/2021 4:24PM
  I can’t. This is just too painful. ** -- Pride_and_Joy 12/23/2021 4:40PM
  Sure. I’ll spend ten minutes and -- Pride_and_Joy 12/23/2021 4:41PM
  I don't think -- 133303Hokie 12/22/2021 9:10PM
  Good post.. you summarized what I was going to say ** -- 6thStreetHokie 12/22/2021 4:44PM
  Appreciate the research, but I am curious on one factor: -- LocalHokie18 12/22/2021 3:49PM
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  I still prefer the VA top 25 3* over the 4* -- Flanker 12/22/2021 4:15PM
  I have enjoyed your research -- Seikoh_04 12/22/2021 3:19PM
  That might be above my pay grade -- Flanker 12/22/2021 4:23PM
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  This ^^ ** -- cvillehokie07 12/22/2021 9:28PM
  I’m not getting that but instead -- HOKIEGOBBLE 12/22/2021 4:48PM
  Rankings -- Gorgerat 12/22/2021 3:39PM

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