What does not kill you makes you stronger but, the question is how much stronger and to what end. Consider your statement on a goal of 8-4 and 9-3 from another angle. We have already discussed the likely competition AND the fact that revenue increases from SEC membership while anticipated to be substantial are not likely to change VT's relative rankings amongst SEC members. Now consider VT's conference records in the ACC since joining as well as the last 10 years. In light of that, do you believe 8-4 or 9-3 is regularly attainable or is 6-6 or 7-5 a more likely regular tier? Off weeks in the ACC during this period have included Wake, Duke, BC, Syracuse and UVA. Off weeks in the SEC include Vanderbilt.