I only know that i suggested you listen to a video before you responded.

Not sure... But look how they chased this WHITE MURDERER and tell me how -- NokieHokie 06/15/2020 7:28PM

Because one pointed a taser at the cop at nighttime. -- VTBB 06/15/2020 8:05PM

Lots of unarmed black men have been shot in the back. I don't buy your try. ** -- NokieHokie 06/15/2020 9:06PM

You are arguing against something I didn’t say. And you brought up race. -- VTBB 06/16/2020 06:55AM

I answered that not sure. And I presented a case where someone far worse's -- NokieHokie 06/16/2020 09:13AM

He was out of the car a long time before the altercation. ** -- IB4TECH 06/15/2020 5:16PM

The cops answer to the Chief of Police, and the Chief answers to the Mayor, -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 2:51PM

Looks to me like she’s not admitting anything. She’s just giving up on a -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 3:47PM

According to others on my FB feed, let the guy run away and get him later -- WestyHokie 06/14/2020 2:34PM

So random adherence and enforcement of laws? ** -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:24PM

Apparently; not as much reaction to this incident -- WestyHokie 06/14/2020 5:55PM

Brooks made poor decisions and suffered the consequences because of them. -- GSOHokie01 06/14/2020 1:49PM

Surprised this thread has survived this long ** -- GretnaHokie 06/14/2020 1:31PM

Been pretty civil as horrendous a topic it is ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 2:14PM

This is a pretty good example of why we should have different types... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 1:19PM

Re: This is a pretty good example of why we should have different types... -- tbb15 06/16/2020 4:58PM

Why? Even moreso, how? 911 dispatchers don't have -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:00PM

I mean, it's a guy passed out at a Wendy's. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:11PM

So what public servant would you have sent? AA? Socisl -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:15PM

Right, that job basically doesn't exist right now. You'd have to invent it. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:41PM

Wow. Game theory. Ok. -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 4:34PM

From a game theory standpoint, yeah, definitely sometimes you should cede. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:51PM

So if you continue to punt then the other side will eventually win. -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:22PM

Definitely don't continue to punt. Punt, regroup, win. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:29PM

The outcome isn't bad if the drunk guy recognizes his obligation -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:32PM

Well, let's definitely gamble it all on a drunk driver being responsible. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:49PM

Ok. Then enhance the laws surrounding fleeing. If you are going to -- VTMONEY94 06/14/2020 5:13PM

Not even sure they would need to stiffen that penalty. Just enforce it. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:22PM

What you say maybe the case 1% of the time: -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:08PM

Right, all of that is basically true. It would be a hard job... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:22PM

Stop with the for profit prison nonsense. They exist -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:29PM

Yeah, this is wrong. It's a comically huge problem. ** -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:41PM

Staffing is the only issue. And that's a function of nimbys forcing them -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:46PM

There should not be a profit motive for incarceration, it's ridiculous. ** -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:52PM

There isn't. Private businesses make profit. It's why they exist. -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 7:24PM

Read 1984. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:33PM

I mean, take it up with Breonna Taylor. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:39PM

He most certainly wouldn't be a fan of society today ** -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:36PM

Do you think he would be a fan of no-knock warrants? ** -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:39PM

That's a straw man as they are so infrequently used as to almost be -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:48PM

Guy, I'm not the one that quoted George Orwell on the police state... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:55PM

Just responding to your cherry picked issue ** -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 7:26PM

I'm going to bow out of this. So long. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:40PM

School crossing guard. They've never shot anyone. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 3:33PM

But they make you obey the rules and that's a no-no today ** -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 4:31PM

First question is - how do you know he's "passed out drunk"? -- Hokie360 06/14/2020 2:09PM

Did this model ensure the safety of the first responders? -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:19PM

I see you didn't offer a solution that addresses the concern I raised. ** -- Hokie360 06/14/2020 3:43PM

But the implication of the concern you raised is that the current model... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:46PM

I still don't see a solution that addresses that concern. -- Hokie360 06/14/2020 3:58PM

Well, right, I'm not implying that, I'm outright saying it. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:13PM

OK. Will you be the first to volunteer to go into an unknown situation -- Hokie360 06/14/2020 4:44PM

Well, again, it's not that radical to have traffic/DUI enforcement done... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:08PM

(and 4 minutes later you think handcuffs and jail time aren't necessary) ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 3:32PM

It's quite a Catch-22 if the desire to avoid handcuffs and immediate... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:05PM

Actually out armed police have limited latitude and operate within -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 5:40PM

Should cops have less latitude? How much less and in what situations? ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:10PM

Less latitude to use force? In almost every situation. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:36PM

So when Mr. Brooks slugged the officer, they should have thanked him? -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:39PM

Right, all of that went really, really badly. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 5:20PM

A passed out drunk at the wheel of his vehicle is a traffic offense. Why -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 2:08PM

Why should a traffic offense absolutely have to result... -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:01PM

So, what happens when they show up at his house? -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 3:24PM

Right, I don't know. Maybe a Butch & Sundance style shootout? -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:50PM

A driver failing a DUI is a serious threat to himself and everyone on the -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 3:07PM

But I mean none of that requires handcuffs or immediate jail ** -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 3:23PM

What substitutes for restraint and incarceration for a night would work? -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 3:31PM

I mean, you could always just help them get home. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:30PM

Someone who thoughtlessly, insanely, recklessly endangered other humans? -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 4:35PM

Yes, exactly. You can still charge them with the crime of having done that. -- Gobbler-100 06/14/2020 4:43PM

He refuses on site breathalyzer, his right. Requires -- RTFC 06/16/2020 01:47AM

Sorry but your thinking is nuts! There’s a reason law enforcement takes -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 8:18PM

Review some laws to offer enforcement options -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 1:42PM

If APD uses a taser that fires a projectile, as rumored, -- TabbHokie 06/14/2020 1:06PM

Shoot him with this? -- Diehard Hokie 06/14/2020 1:06PM

Could work in some situations but now we have cops w/pepper guns, Tasers, -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 3:40PM

I’m starting to think since we have so many people willing to resist cops -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 12:59PM

Are you retarded? -- MrBayAreaHokie 06/14/2020 1:18PM

Not sure I understand your ?? BayArea!! Civil discourse =no name calling -- hokiewasp 06/14/2020 2:28PM

The answer would be in which way caused less loss of life. It everyone -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 1:49PM

I guess you want to live in a police state -- MrBayAreaHokie 06/14/2020 2:39PM

And it appears that anarchy is the flavor of the month. -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:06PM

Nope not at all. I want to live in a society that has laws voted on by the -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 3:04PM

There's already ample knowledge throughout society about resisting arrest. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 2:19PM

No more silly in my mind then to resist arrest? Do you have a better idea? -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 2:24PM

I've lost track of which side of this you're on. Isn't handing the cuffs to -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 2:26PM

I’m on the side that says a civil society needs laws & citizens that adhere -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 2:58PM

Well that just unfortunately doesn't work every single time. People about -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 3:04PM

No of course it won’t prevent all shootings. There will always be people -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 3:19PM

That's probably a little harsh, Mr. Dredd! -- Flanker 06/14/2020 1:10PM

Looking at the body cam video, I’d say the moment of arrest was not ideal -- HokieAl 06/14/2020 12:59PM

I'm fine with their actions. Daily Mail has body cam video. -- Flanker 06/14/2020 12:55PM

Body cam footage has been released. ** -- Concord Dan 06/14/2020 12:18PM

Well, if they had immediately restrained and cuffed him he wouldn't have -- IB4TECH 06/14/2020 11:20AM

Sounds like he was too difficult to manage -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:15PM

Who called the police? Wendy's or a customer. -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 10:35AM

Why does that matter? If the man is passed out in the drive thru of course -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 11:46AM

My point. And then it turned bad. ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:04PM

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. -- Fatman 06/14/2020 10:17AM

Body cams are pricy.. -- Brewing_Hokie 06/14/2020 9:51PM

Police are taught that the only time you use your weapon is if -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:13PM

It’s pretty clear Brooks is pointing the taser, not a gun. -- RoswellGAHokie 06/14/2020 10:15AM

Show me a cop whose willing to be tased by someone brazen enough to fight -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 11:58AM

Agreed. But no good cop would let his taser get in the possession -- Stork 06/14/2020 12:01PM

Sorry but cops aren’t Superman. If they are only going to arrest the small -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 12:20PM

OK. You're right. Of course. ** -- Stork 06/14/2020 12:22PM

And would assume once the officer is down he leaves him alone -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 10:35AM

I'll wait to see what the GBI investigation reveals for an indepth eval -- EDGEMAN 06/14/2020 09:35AM

Social workers will talk him out of passing out drunk in the drive -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:30AM

At some point, people with common sense have to push back on this crap. -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:26AM

I'm in ** -- `lag 06/14/2020 09:21AM

Present. ** -- Hokie360 06/14/2020 11:53AM

Ya need more than two people to subdue anyone of any size most likely -- bigbadbird 06/14/2020 09:10AM

Cops shouldn’t have to be Superman. People should comply with laws. Don’t -- Hoakie82 06/14/2020 12:16PM

Some people watch too many movies. They have unreal expectations -- Flanker 06/14/2020 1:19PM

I honestly dont know -- Vippie1 06/14/2020 09:03AM

Same as for civilians. Can't shoot someone running away from you. -- HokieR 06/14/2020 08:56AM

Tennessee vs. Garner .... Know the law! -- Flanker 06/14/2020 1:38PM

Legally speaking, makes sense. A person is legally allowed to defend -- Tafkam Hokie 06/14/2020 3:57PM

He wasn't running away, he turned and pointed a weapon at the officer -- Vienna_Hokie 06/14/2020 09:25AM

Yeah ... Fired a taser at the cop ... -- OXVT 06/14/2020 09:31AM

Never aim for anything not center of mass -- Brewing_Hokie 06/14/2020 11:28AM

110% justified. -- Brewing_Hokie 06/14/2020 11:20AM

Edited for edit made 👍** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:31PM

Correct. I’ll edit. Thanks! ** -- Brewing_Hokie 06/14/2020 12:34PM

Me, too. Why do I get Report Abuse when I tap subject line? -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:50PM

Aim for the legs? I think you've watched too many Clint Eastwood movies. ** -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:34AM

"Just wing 'em" per SEC 7.49D of the soon to be revised training manual. ** -- Coach McGuirk 06/14/2020 10:10AM

Aim for the toes? ** -- OXVT 06/14/2020 09:36AM

I like it. ** -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 10:05AM

My suggestion is don't resist arrest, steal an officer's taser, or... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 08:56AM

I never thought clearly or logically when drinking, say, heavily -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:13PM

I don't know anyone who does. But does intoxication absolve... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 12:48PM

No and yes. Just saying... ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 12:51PM

I hear you. It absolutely sucks that this guy's bad decisions... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 1:00PM

Preach, brother. Seems we can't. More's the pity. ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 1:03PM

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ it will take you a long way to safety. ** -- Razor4VT 06/14/2020 11:06AM

Please don't add common sense to the argument. ** -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:27AM

And now a neighborhood business that was not to blame is gone. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 08:44AM

Blocking the streets so the fire trucks could not respond means... -- EDGEMAN 06/14/2020 09:45AM

400 years of American violence toward blacks. -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 08:59AM

Unfortunately only one side gets to participate in our national -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:26PM

6 million Jews were -- VTUD 06/14/2020 11:30AM

It has absolutely nothing to do with race -- arlingtonhokie 06/14/2020 10:19AM

This is a such a copout. The mantra that things are pretty much the same -- HokieGator 06/14/2020 09:40AM

Yeah. Everytime I turn on the tv I see how oppressed some people are. -- IB4TECH 06/14/2020 11:14AM

If I recall, you live/work in Blacksburg. care to get together for a cup of -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:45AM

Would love to. ** -- HokieGator 06/14/2020 09:48AM

That'd be great. I think more heated discussions on chatboards could be -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:58AM

Email me.... -- HokieGator 06/14/2020 10:03AM

Done. Thanks. ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 10:18AM

Deleted for the snowflakes. -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:31AM

-1, you are REALLY beautiful man -- Vippie1 06/14/2020 10:37AM

That cannot ever be the reason employed neighbors lose their jobs. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:02AM

So you listened to the 18 minute talk in 3 minutes. -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:05AM

You are angry, but insulting me - someone you don't know at all - -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:08AM

BTW, I'm not angry, but I am a bit frustrated by people's lack of curiosity ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:15AM

If you're not angry, I don't want to be around you when you are, Gadfly. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:18AM

Perhaps, I shouldn't use a chatboard to express my emotions as they can be -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:21AM

That's a decent offer, but I don't Zoom. Don't think I'm evading your offer -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:25AM

I could be your first. You don't need the software. You can just click on -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:40AM

I'll give that honest consideration. Yes, I'm in CLT, so face time -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 10:42AM

Gotta go now but let me know if you are willing to Zoom at some future time ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 10:52AM

Would still like to talk. Too much to unpack there in a chatboard -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 10:49AM

OK. I won't think you lack curiosity. Or answers. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 11:01AM

I only know that i suggested you listen to a video before you responded. -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:13AM

You think I could not have heard Noah. You pointed that out to me. So you -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:23AM

Until we admit there are issues on both sides we aren't going to get anywhe ** -- VTJayLaw 06/14/2020 09:07AM

Don't see it happening. For me, one on one, one day at a time. ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 11:00AM

Well he should have been patted down already. So they know no gun. -- Stork 06/14/2020 08:42AM

Everything was good until the cops tried to cuff. I think the cops were -- IB4TECH 06/14/2020 11:08AM

Don't think they had a chance for a pat down -- EDGEMAN 06/14/2020 09:37AM

If they did a sobriety test, then they Definitely should have patted -- Stork 06/14/2020 09:42AM

You're pointing to a lack of training. -- EDGEMAN 06/14/2020 09:48AM

Would a white man asleep in the car have been assumed to have been armed? ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 08:51AM

Yes, police officers are trained to assume every person is armed -- Vienna_Hokie 06/14/2020 10:00AM

If was a cop, I'd assume every potential arrestee is armed.... -- CrystalCoveHokie 06/14/2020 09:35AM

I think of college tailgates and all that goes on when i see these cases -- bigbadbird 06/14/2020 09:12AM

Do those people fight the police, grab a weapon from the police, and... -- EDGEMAN 06/14/2020 09:38AM

Damn covid virus ** -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 10:00AM

Right. But I have seen people thrown to the ground in Lane for being wasted -- VTBB 06/14/2020 09:17AM

Agree- this one got out of hand because the officers were weaker than their -- bigbadbird 06/14/2020 09:20AM

“Please leave race out of it”. ** -- VTBB 06/14/2020 08:53AM

No thank you because that's exactly what it is ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 08:57AM

Did you watch the actual video of the incident. -- VTBB 06/14/2020 09:29AM

Just so I understand clearly, are you saying this man was shot because... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:13AM

Indirectly, probably yes. White police officers making assumptions about -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:18AM

Can you elaborate a little bit on what you think those assumptions are? -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:51AM

Probably too complex to explain via a chatboard discussion; however, I -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 10:08AM

Unfortunately the statistics say that young black men are more... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 1:23PM

Is it or maybe the guy is just a criminal. Not everything is race related. ** -- VTJayLaw 06/14/2020 09:05AM

Of course, assume the black guy is a criminal, which is why they are -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:10AM

Actually we know he is a criminal because he assaulted an officer -- Vienna_Hokie 06/14/2020 10:16AM

What about black towards whites? Is that race related? -- VTJayLaw 06/14/2020 09:17AM

And vice-versa, something you'd agree is also true. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:12AM

He overpowered and escaped them. Strange as it seems. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 08:48AM

Training. Or lack there of. ** -- Stork 06/14/2020 08:50AM

What training should have prevented this? No, I’m not arguing. -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 08:53AM

Clearly there was a lack of training in this case. -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 08:59AM

OK, but if they let him go, they had a chance to save his life. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:04AM

True, but I think the reason he got shot is that he pointed the taser... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:11AM

I have a hard time agreeing that a scared, fleeing drunk had decent aim. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:20AM

The aim was decent enough that the cop turned his head away and put up -- IB4TECH 06/14/2020 11:24AM

Instinctive, logical reaction. As is if getting tased in his hands would -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 2:21PM

I won't disagree, but that's easy for us to say. -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:29AM

So you are supposed to let him taze you?** -- VTBB 06/14/2020 08:47AM

Well by then it's too late. The cops have allowed the situation -- Stork 06/14/2020 08:49AM

So if police use force in subduing a suspect... -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:41AM

Maybe but I think we may be demanding perfection -- Vippie1 06/14/2020 09:10AM

Should they have let guy go? Did what the guy did have no part in this? ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 08:57AM

Hmm. I don’t think that’s why the Chief resigned. ** -- VTBB 06/14/2020 08:51AM

Video shows he was patted down . . . the cops knew he had no . . -- MidloHokie 06/14/2020 08:45AM

What do you think happens once he hits you with taser? If people aren't on -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 09:36AM

So, two cops with guns plus a taser versus one drunk perp with a . . -- MidloHokie 06/14/2020 11:48AM

Well they weren't exactly winning the hand to hand combat. I guess drunk -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 3:53PM

Agree, we don't know but, regardless, the adjudication and application of -- MidloHokie 06/14/2020 4:16PM

Tragic no doubt and for that we should all be sad. Not sure a cop can -- Hockey Dad 06/14/2020 5:01PM

Flee and pursue and now the charges go up -- 6thStreetHokie 06/14/2020 08:38AM

By definition, every shot is a lethal shot -- Vienna_Hokie 06/14/2020 09:30AM

Not sure what options they had -- Vienna_Hokie 06/14/2020 08:30AM

Everyone hates Monday morning QB's & this is of the worst type. Media & -- Vtskier1 06/14/2020 11:04AM

You feel like I do -- HOKIEVET 06/14/2020 08:27AM

But that's the thing, he didn't get shot for being passed out drunk. -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:02AM

Perhaps, this was not a job for which police should be used. -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 08:49AM

I like the hammer seeing nails comment. This can also be used in this way: -- HokieGator 06/14/2020 10:02AM

Who do you call, Al-Anon? An oncall social worker or psychiatrist? I'd -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:01AM

Yes to your proposed suggestions. ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:07AM

I don't believe A-A comes to me. I have to want help enough to go to them. -- TomTurkey 06/14/2020 10:45AM

And if the drunk guy begins to fight the shrink or other counselor? ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:09AM

Who should be used when a guy is passed out drunk in a car blocking -- VermontHokie 06/14/2020 08:55AM

Anyone but the police. ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:00AM

Send in the tow truck! -- MP4VT2004 06/14/2020 09:03AM

"Anyone" isn't a solution. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/14/2020 09:02AM

Not sending in the hammers is a solution. ** -- Gadfly 06/14/2020 09:06AM

He escalated it into a situation requiring hammers. The cops -- 133743Hokie 06/14/2020 3:44PM

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