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No it wasn't. That is too simplistic


A Ukrainian identity existed before the turn of the century in the 1800s when parts of it were controlled by the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Ruthenia, Volhynia, Galicia...have been distinctly Ukrainian. The Cossacks were not Russian. The actual borders that the Soviet Union created might be artificial, but that can be said for every country in Africa. Ukraine has been a region that, unfortunately, has been owned and fought over by the Tatars, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Ottomans, the Russians, the Hungarians, the Austrian-Hungarians,.... so peasants often didn't care who actually was in power...they often just exchanged one set of leaders for another after wars. But overtime an identity developed in contrast to Polish nobles, to A-H elite, to Russian colonizers...

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Posted: 04/08/2022 at 4:53PM



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