don't have a need to make a profit. An Asian colleague who used to work for another company showed us how we quoted a piece of business we have in the USA. He was selling at our cost to buy resin. No profit, overhead, raw material yield was included in his price. They can do this because they don't play by the same rules as the rest of the world. Same reason we're dealing with Corona virus now. And if someone tells you about Chinese quality they are cutting corners or technology it was stolen.