When you look at media historically....

This thread provides a pretty positive example of how it can get better -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 1:50PM

Media and social media make more money when we are crazy -- MrBayAreaHokie 02/04/2022 4:04PM

There is a conversation about that below and about China/Russia -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 4:17PM

China & Russia are convenient boogeymen for the establishment. ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 5:33PM

Agry. Grate thread. ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 3:08PM

SOURCE ?!?!!? ** -- PhotoHokieNC 02/04/2022 2:19PM

PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!! ** -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 2:26PM

Reality is that 75% of the people don't even listen to the extremes -- 133743Hokie 02/04/2022 12:52PM

I would say quite a larger amount are exposed to it on a constant -- HokieSignGuy 02/04/2022 5:35PM

Good discussion and a question......... -- 2hhoop3 02/04/2022 11:52AM

Nothing on TV -- MrBayAreaHokie 02/04/2022 4:49PM

I will not accept any news from any source. And I consider... -- VToncologyNurse 02/04/2022 2:33PM

Four answers and a bonus suggestion -- HokieJay 02/04/2022 1:05PM

Snopes started as one of the first "unbiased" fact checkers -- RTFC 02/04/2022 2:32PM

Is there another alternative that performs the same service? ** -- HokieJay 02/04/2022 2:39PM

Try truly reading articles from both sides and making up your own mind. -- RTFC 02/04/2022 3:25PM

I'm not talking about biased news, I'm talking FAKE news. -- HokieJay 02/06/2022 12:47PM

Some of Snopes IS biased to the point of being "fake news" ** -- RTFC 02/06/2022 8:21PM

I'm very sorry to read that. Where do we go now? ** -- HokieJay 02/07/2022 12:48PM

Have never found one, I think an unbiased one would fail quickly -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 2:49PM

WSJ -- hokiehunter07 02/04/2022 1:50PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "opinion pieces" -- HokieJay 02/04/2022 2:31PM

That's never been the case for WSJ, so why is it now? ** -- PhotoHokieNC 02/04/2022 2:28PM

Snopes is fine for the purely factual things -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 1:15PM

Substack’s great -- mancunian 02/04/2022 12:38PM

Read an article questioning the Rogan meltdowns -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 4:26PM

The meltdowns are a joke. They just don't like him poking holes in their -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 5:34PM

Matt Taibbi is awesome! ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 12:41PM

He really is -- MrBayAreaHokie 02/04/2022 3:46PM

I get my news from independent peeps on YouTube. Yes, they have biases, -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 12:13PM

I like The Economist. -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 12:09PM

Agree, good objective news reporting & editorials.... -- BusLoadaBozos 02/04/2022 12:34PM

A real eye opener would be a book on British history -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 12:37PM

2nd this, best journalism in the world. -- `lag 02/04/2022 12:15PM

Several years ago I noticed ESPN started scaling back -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 12:35PM

It's just Gresham's law applied to the news business -- `lag 02/04/2022 12:46PM

I get all my news from TikTok and PornHub+, both tops IMO ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/04/2022 12:08PM

^^Seeking the naked truth. ** -- MP4VT2004 02/04/2022 12:18PM

Kudos to you both....... -- 2hhoop3 02/04/2022 12:22PM

Start with this -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 12:07PM

I've plugged this before -- RTFC 02/04/2022 2:29PM

Agreed. The honest people are upfront about their bias, so you know where -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 12:12PM

Sometimes news outlets can be truthful -- HOKIEVET 02/04/2022 11:58AM

Thanks for.... -- 2hhoop3 02/04/2022 12:05PM

In talking to people -- HOKIEVET 02/04/2022 11:46AM

Great to see the huge number of responses to this post -- AZHokie59 02/04/2022 11:45AM

The “noble lie” is celebrated and our media is in on it. -- RoswellGAHokie 02/04/2022 11:18AM

When you look at media historically.... -- One4VT 02/04/2022 2:27PM

Were it only true but brother, that vision died a long time ago. -- HokieJay 02/04/2022 11:35AM

It is ironic that the best and most fair media coverage of the US comes ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:38AM

I'd love to know the inside story there. Maybe being an international... -- HokieJay 02/04/2022 11:43AM

Yep - curious if they lean one way or the other on UK coverage ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:45AM

I've said for a long time that this country cannot survive without an -- Coach McGuirk 02/04/2022 11:27AM

A hedge fund manager warning us about inflation & wealth gap, that's rich. -- HokieNoVA 02/04/2022 10:58AM

Kind of like Warren Buffett lamenting on taxes eh? ** -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 11:09AM

That's an interesting example -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 11:21AM

Found this (long) article interesting on how the super rich avoid taxes -- pburg_hokie 02/04/2022 12:17PM

I'm annoyed by just the title. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 12:34PM

The problem is the tax laws are rigged by the billionaires who own the -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 3:23PM

Incorrect? Eh. Incomplete and out of context. Absolutley. ** -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 11:40AM

And don't forget the "benevolent grandfather" ruse. That comes in -- Coach McGuirk 02/04/2022 11:29AM

This guy didn't get rich by being a nice guy. ** -- `lag 02/04/2022 12:09PM

Or Scarlett Johansson complaining about small breasts? ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/04/2022 11:12AM

Wait...when was this? ** -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 11:14AM

And he may simply be trying to move the market somehow -- `lag 02/04/2022 11:01AM

I for one welcome the breakdown of society -- Happy Dog 02/04/2022 10:54AM

…there’s so many of us -- chumley 02/04/2022 12:39PM

If you need a good leg breaker, let me know ** -- Brown Water 02/04/2022 11:27AM

^^ Best in the business ^^ ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:45AM

Happy Dog the Hutt. Has a ring to it. ** -- Spud 02/04/2022 11:01AM

U misspelled Mutt FTFY 👍 ** -- AZHokie59 02/04/2022 11:20AM

I'm envisioning more Col Kurtz ** -- Happy Dog 02/04/2022 11:09AM

Can I be the grocery clerk who sends out errand boys to collect bills? ** -- Spud 02/04/2022 11:17AM

We will see more violent protests (color revolutions) to inflame sentiment -- lchoro 02/04/2022 10:42AM

Look at Canada right now ... some folks up there are saying they are ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:45AM

Honk Honk! ** -- ColoVT82 02/04/2022 10:51AM

Yep, some truckers are driving around honking their horns. -- HokieNoVA 02/04/2022 10:50AM

Clearly you aren't paying much attention, and, to be honest it isn't ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:53AM

No, I have. I know its a big deal and now they're talking about using the -- HokieNoVA 02/04/2022 11:05AM

The talk of a government using the military to put down a peaceful protest -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:09AM

Did you read his post though? He's not really wrong. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 11:14AM

I definitely don't think there will be a revolution or any real change ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:20AM

In a parliamentary government, a revolution can happen fast -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 11:30AM

Try not to let it worry you too much with your mouth full or your shelves -- PhotoHokieNC 02/04/2022 11:07AM

We got ourselves a convoy! ** -- `lag 02/04/2022 10:51AM

Yeah, I’ve never been this pessimistic about the direction the US is headed -- HokieSignGuy 02/04/2022 10:38AM

Sure it's sustainable -hate is the worlds oldest/bestest renewable resource ** -- JoesterVT 02/04/2022 10:46AM

Oh -- capitals1 02/04/2022 10:29AM

Yeah, it won't be long now :) ** -- santafe 02/04/2022 10:35AM

TWSS ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/04/2022 10:38AM

Or, what the monkey said when he caught his tail in the -- santafe 02/04/2022 10:49AM

It started out just fine, but as frequently happens ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:32AM

I want to chime in before the comet hits. I watched "Don't Look Up" -- Coach McGuirk 02/04/2022 10:23AM

In many ways though that movie is an example of the OP -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:33AM

The trailer looks hilarious ** -- HokieR 02/04/2022 10:30AM

It should go into a time capsule. It captures the lunacy that is life today -- Coach McGuirk 02/04/2022 10:34AM

"Both sides" nonsense; only 1 side has been rooting for war for decades ** -- Synaesthesia 02/04/2022 10:06AM

Was wondering how long this would take. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 10:09AM

And the reasonable discussion ends in 3...2....1... -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:09AM

Uncomfortable truth for most on this board, their side is who wants the war ** -- Synaesthesia 02/04/2022 11:39AM

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Likely a good thing. ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:43AM

Go away troll, the adults are having a rational conversation ** -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 11:43AM

Please... Both sides are owned by the military industrial complex and love -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:09AM

Not war in general, the civil war threatened by the article in this thread ** -- Synaesthesia 02/04/2022 11:36AM

Both sides want that too. It's good for fundraising... Fearmongering that -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 11:41AM

Don't take his bait...that's not what he's talking about ** -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:10AM

Anti-political is by default….political ** -- B777Fr8Dog 02/04/2022 09:46AM

I don't mean to offend you, but... ** -- Hokie 4 MG 02/04/2022 10:08AM

With all due respect … ** -- RoswellGAHokie 02/04/2022 10:37AM

Oh, I’m not offended, not at all. Just correcting the record. 😉 ** -- B777Fr8Dog 02/04/2022 10:10AM

Much of it is tied to the decline of the "traditional" news media -- DJ Golf 02/04/2022 09:39AM

There is no truth anymore -- HOKIEVET 02/04/2022 09:53AM

There is definitely truth. It's not on corporate news channels that are -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:01AM

Network news is also crappy ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:03AM

Network news are corporations too, I specifically worded it that way, not -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:04AM

I was never good at reading comprehension. ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:05AM

What is truth? -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:00AM

Neither side is going to accept a loss in the next presidential election -- kingofcassell 02/04/2022 09:37AM

And the violent rhetoric about it is ramping up for the midterms already ** -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:40AM

A political piece from Bloomberg makes it hyper-political -- EDGEMAN 02/04/2022 09:32AM

That piece could have easily been in the WSJ Murdoch empire -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 09:39AM

It's almost like that is the desired outcome... -- MP4VT2004 02/04/2022 09:24AM

Our own institutions do that to us by design. If you are too busy punching -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:04AM

Keep the peasants fighting each other, they won't realize they are peasants ** -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:06AM

Some peasants are quite well informed, though. (link) -- Spud 02/04/2022 10:32AM

No question that -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 09:35AM

BINGO! ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:05AM

That's my point - the media holds their hand out for China's money... -- MP4VT2004 02/04/2022 09:45AM

China has been brilliant at profiting off American greed. It's our own -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:22AM

No argument there. Somewhere along the way... -- MP4VT2004 02/04/2022 10:31AM

Well that believe existed well before social. media. :( ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:31AM

China and Russia are also ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 09:41AM

I think a lot of it is the language -- HOKIEVET 02/04/2022 09:18AM

That's crazy!! -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:19AM

I think there are a lot of moderate politicians who want -- Victor Tango 02/04/2022 09:02AM

My biggest political soapbox is that for voting to matter -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 10:34AM

Better yet, get rid of primaries ** -- North Main Hokie 02/04/2022 2:35PM

Care to expand on that? -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 5:17PM

Sorry, took me a while to get back to this... -- North Main Hokie 02/05/2022 10:22PM

What's wrong with 6% of the vote if that's the most popular? Weeding down -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 5:32PM

second biggest is that local elections matter ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:37AM

I've said for years that the local elections are far more important. -- Spud 02/04/2022 11:00AM

Yep ... and it is far easier to make drastic changes at the local level ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 11:02AM

I do. I'm all over that. Most of them are seeking local power for their -- Coach McGuirk 02/04/2022 10:54AM

Karens of both gender pretty much elect local officials and primaries -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:40AM

Almost impossible for a well meaning true collaborative problem solver -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 09:56AM

And if they do, they are considered a threat to the parties -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:04AM

Money and infrastructure. Moderates don't have it b/c the parties control -- RhinoVT 02/04/2022 09:22AM

We need public financing of elections. No donations. Ranked choice voting, -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:38AM

Been preaching this for years. ** -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:00AM

I have heard other say the same but I disagree ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 08:59AM

I agree, but I don't think it takes a majority to start a revolution. ** -- HokieByWater 02/04/2022 11:29AM

It absolutely doesn't take a majority to start a revolution -- Tafkam Hokie 02/04/2022 12:13PM

That's a good summary of why I enjoy the Lounge. -- MP4VT2004 02/04/2022 10:02AM

A-men ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 10:04AM

We know why social media intentionally stokes division -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:15AM

If only someone would censor news and social media. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 02/04/2022 09:11AM

Civil disagreements don't make money. Hot takes and violence do -- hoosnowahokie 02/04/2022 09:10AM

Well hope you are right -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 09:08AM

I used to think the same. But it seems to -- HokieR 02/04/2022 09:08AM

The media is trying to divide us? Enemy of the people I guess. ** -- Brown Water 02/04/2022 09:03AM

Doing far more harm than good IMHO. ** -- vt90 02/04/2022 09:09AM

Nah -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:03AM

All the policies that benefit actual American people are overwhelmingly -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:23AM

I struggle with your last statement...the system gives them 2 bad choices -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:12AM

The problem is your thinking there can only be two choices. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:14AM

The system is rigged by the establishment to ensure that result. They have -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:24AM

Nice in theory, but again, since both candidates are on the far side -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:25AM

BINGO! ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:25AM

I don't disagree with much of what you wrote. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:31AM

I voted on principle, but I also knew that candidate had zero chance. It -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 10:26AM

And most people won’t cast a protest vote -- North Main Hokie 02/04/2022 2:41PM

Yep! ** -- NokieHokie 02/04/2022 2:52PM

You are correct, but I would argue it wouldn't change anything in reality -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:38AM

And that attitude is exactly why we get what we get. ** -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:39AM

Obviously -- vt90 02/04/2022 09:09AM

Again...I have no idea what you base that one. -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:12AM

I am saying that ... -- vt90 02/04/2022 09:17AM

I'll agree that most are self serving... -- vthokieq 02/04/2022 09:19AM

Tribalism ** -- Stork 02/04/2022 08:49AM

The baseline sin -- Hokie Chris 02/04/2022 11:27AM

A hedgefund manager, awesome. ** -- `lag 02/04/2022 08:48AM

So where do you disagree? -- Vippie1 02/04/2022 08:56AM

I can agree with some of the points -- `lag 02/04/2022 09:09AM

I would argue a hedge fund manager is a great source for this -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 09:54AM

I thought about that, that is, a hedge fund would hire a social scientist. -- `lag 02/04/2022 10:09AM

But maybe that's how he is trying to manipulate markets in his favor -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:18AM

Bingo! That's exactly the next thought -- `lag 02/04/2022 10:50AM

That's the point I was making when I asked what is truth -- Vienna_Hokie 02/04/2022 10:59AM

My simple take... -- hokiehunter07 02/04/2022 08:45AM

This doesn't work anymore for a simple reason -- hoosnowahokie 02/04/2022 09:07AM

I kinda agree with your concept -- RTFC 02/04/2022 2:54PM

You left out a sizable portion of information with your dots there -- hoosnowahokie 02/04/2022 3:10PM

Well. I've had friends make crazy statements -- HokieR 02/04/2022 08:59AM

When you look at media historically....

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