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I understand the debate was about UConn vs. UMD.

Keep in mind that UMD was an original member so exceptions are made with original members that wouldn't be given to potential expansion members. As far as whether UMD was a massive loss or not, it isn't entirely clear to me (at least for football). At the time UMD football was going through some hard times. However, how much of the problems had to do with decisions Debbie Yow made and her attitude towards the football program? It is even possible that Kevin Anderson was forced to make some of the decisions he made as a result of decisions made by Debbie. Is it possible that NC State is currently experiencing those same obstacles which is making it more difficult for the program to rebuild?

If UMD ever found the right situation where the program could rebuild itself, then I do think it has a better chance to be a bigger player in the ACC than in the Big Ten. I think UMD's ability to regular play against a FL school would greatly help the school with recruiting from within the state. I do think UMD has a better chance of becoming another "Louisville" than UConn in the ACC. However, I don't see that happening in the Big Ten. I say that because the state of MD tends to have better HS and produce more quality recruits than the state of CT so UMD should be able to keep its fair share of instate recruits.
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The ratings for their games are available. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 3:19PM

Relevant in the sense that their team is able to generate -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 3:28PM

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Hate Louisville, but they were an upgrade from Maryland. -- wwhokie1 08/05/2017 9:34PM

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Re: UConn is virtually the same thing. -- bystander 08/01/2017 09:23AM

Football history from when? Last 15 years. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 11:53AM

I can't agree with that logic -- lawhokie 08/01/2017 2:37PM

Far enough away, yet close enough at the same time. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 2:54PM

Re: Football history from when? Last 15 years. -- bystander 08/01/2017 1:37PM

I'm not living in the 60s or even the 80s anymore. This is 2017. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 1:59PM

It does matter from a branding standpoint. -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 2:59PM

What you're talking about is WVU. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 3:33PM

The other schools I mention fit the profile too. -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 3:51PM

It goes back to the original part of the discussion. MD v UConn -- HOO86 08/01/2017 5:03PM

Re: It goes back to the original part of the discussion. MD v UConn -- bystander 08/02/2017 11:06AM

I understand the debate was about UConn vs. UMD. -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 5:32PM

Re: I'm not living in the 60s or even the 80s anymore. This is 2017. -- bystander 08/01/2017 2:21PM

Re: I'm not living in the 60s or even the 80s anymore. This is 2017. -- UCHusky90 08/01/2017 4:26PM

You articulate this better than I've been able to. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 7:20PM

Re: I -- bystander 07/31/2017 4:13PM

Those pro teams draw attention away from MD in that town. -- HOO86 07/31/2017 4:51PM

Re: Those pro teams draw attention away from MD in that town. -- bystander 08/01/2017 09:06AM

USC is the exception to the rule. -- Atlee Hokie 08/04/2017 07:43AM

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Re: It will be interesting to see how 2 new NFL teams will affect USC -- bystander 08/01/2017 1:40PM

In fairness to USC, I don't believe ever tried to sell tickets -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 4:49PM

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FWIW I believe the capacity of the Coliseum is listed at 93,607. -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 5:17PM

Re: In fairness to USC, I don't believe ever tried to sell tickets -- bystander 08/01/2017 4:53PM

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You're wrong on CT having no pro competition. The state may not have -- Late 80s Hokie 08/01/2017 12:11PM

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UConn has out of state sponsors -- UCHusky90 08/01/2017 5:00PM

FWIW some corporate sponsors do have agreements -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 3:17PM

So you're not talking about Fan Attention competition, but sponsor -- Late 80s Hokie 08/01/2017 12:55PM

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Don't forget that Hartford has made multiple attempts -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 3:44PM

They can go with UConn. ** -- HOO86 08/01/2017 3:55PM

They could cheer for UConn, but it doesn't mean they will cheer for UConn. -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 4:32PM

Re: They could cheer for UConn, but it doesn't mean they will cheer for UConn. -- bystander 08/01/2017 4:44PM

It is up to UConn to market itself in its home market. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 4:41PM

My point though is UConn can launch a $100 billion dollar marketing -- VTHokie2000 08/01/2017 4:58PM

Re: It is up to UConn to market itself in its home market. -- bystander 08/01/2017 4:46PM

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Not a single one of those is in Connecticut. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 12:56PM

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That's irrelevant. That's the market. You even bring up the -- reestuart 08/01/2017 1:05PM

BC is not in Connecticut either. -- HOO86 08/01/2017 1:15PM

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Re: My point is that there is absolutely no reason at all to have both. -- bystander 08/01/2017 1:46PM

Re: Land Grants with no Professional Sports Franchise competition is best. -- bystander 07/31/2017 1:28PM

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Then Delany should say that. -- HOO86 07/30/2017 10:33AM

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Re: They should thank their lucky stars for those LAX titles. -- bystander 07/31/2017 11:05AM

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Quote from the Bylaws -- RTFC 08/01/2017 12:55PM

Except he was AD when they were first set up. -- Atlee Hokie 07/30/2017 10:10PM

We shall see soon. ** -- RJHokie 07/30/2017 6:31PM

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OSU has been padding its record with that league for years. -- HOO86 07/31/2017 2:55PM

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You saw the Hokies play Clemson last December. -- HOO86 08/03/2017 7:57PM

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He wouldn't go so far as to say that RU and MD would be misfits in -- IB4TECH 07/29/2017 5:59PM

He didn't, but he should have. ** -- RJHokie 07/29/2017 6:10PM

No he didn't. Here's another view out of Illinois. -- HOO86 07/29/2017 6:07PM

I get the sleeping part : ) ** -- daveinop 07/31/2017 08:43AM

Virginia Tech @ Byrd 2009 -- Maroon Baboon 07/29/2017 11:29PM

A game vs Wake Forest drew better than Mich St -- mrcaniac 07/30/2017 1:55PM

LOL ** -- IB4TECH 07/29/2017 6:19PM

Lol -- nebraskafaninwi 07/29/2017 4:06PM

Yep OU and KU, psstt psstt, we aren't talking about you. -- Stech 07/29/2017 5:19PM

I understand the debate was about UConn vs. UMD.

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