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Re: Wish I could give you a plus 1/2. Some very strong points in there

Oh not to worry, sir. I've been made clear of my mistakes in the past 24 hours! I do apologize, and I realize that this was certainly not the place to share my opinions in such a firm manner, but I was curious and frustrated as to why I kept seeing so many degrading posts about a fellow conference member that has never wronged anyone. Wake Forest is certainly not the reason that we don't have an ACCN or the reason we lag in revenue.

We only have our own institutions to blame (and a huge "tip of the hat" to Swoffie!) I may have come off as insulting, and this was the wrong place to do so, but I felt that it was insulting to the ACC and its fans for so many fans of one of the "new schools" to suggest booting a charter member on ludicrous pretenses. I'm young, but I'm old school I guess.

It's our duty as fans and alumni to push the powers that be at our respective institutions to make things right. And we have to do our part to show our support (that was another issue I had when reading some posts - your own fans admit that fan support isn't at the level of should/could be, yet they were criticizing a fellow institution because of revenue sharing.)

The damage is done, I know. But there was no ill intent, rather that "AAAARRGGGHHHH WHEN DID YOU BECOME SO UPPITY!?" feeling that I had to let out.

As someone said, it's the vocal minority that you have to watch out for.

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Posted: 06/09/2016 at 12:38PM

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Re: a thread yesterday about conf. "deadweights" and revenue -- Burnss 06/08/2016 4:26PM

Most of the "data" you collecgted is grounded in one and only one thin -- Upwind of uva 06/10/2016 12:51PM

Thankfully, no, I don't know "jack" about VT's experience -- Burnss 06/10/2016 11:41PM

I was trying to explain why there is dislike for Wake.... -- Upwind of uva 06/12/2016 08:35AM

I agree. Great message. Love the data! ** -- VT ChemE 1986 06/09/2016 2:42PM

Wish I could give you a plus 1/2. Some very strong points in there -- Late 80s Hokie 06/09/2016 12:22PM

Re: Wish I could give you a plus 1/2. Some very strong points in there -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:38PM

I think your initial post was excellent and not insulting. -- Late 80s Hokie 06/10/2016 11:51AM

Your question of why was VT passed over -- hokieone 06/09/2016 09:52AM

VT being passed over in 1954 and up to 2004 addressed in ref. post -- KnoxHokie 06/09/2016 2:37PM

I think the ACC held their indoor track & field... -- Old Line Hokie 06/09/2016 11:25AM

I see your point, but somewhere here you say we are lucky to be in a P5 -- VaTechie 06/09/2016 12:12AM

No matter what State FANS say, -- Burnss 06/09/2016 07:03AM

I don't think Wake would be kicked out -- 4x4hokies 06/09/2016 12:05AM

They are original members of the ACC and have had success in both -- corvt2000 06/09/2016 09:26AM

It was not so long ago Wake had exploratory commission -- BigCrumpy 06/09/2016 08:09AM

Those schools dropped or dialed back FB before the explosion of $$$ -- corvt2000 06/09/2016 09:38AM

TV money "explosion" is nice but when you consider the coresponding costs -- 4x4hokies 06/09/2016 8:10PM

I doubt they're spending tens of millions on facilities at Wake -- corvt2000 06/10/2016 10:58AM

If Wake is savvy they figure out how to ditch football, stay in the ACC, -- 4x4hokies 06/09/2016 8:25PM

VT only school to vote AGAINST kicking Temple out of BigEast. And... -- Maroon Baboon 06/08/2016 9:58PM

Valid point. The ACC should once again be on the offensive -- Burnss 06/08/2016 10:48PM

Good point ** -- BigCrumpy 06/09/2016 08:03AM

ACC will need to take OkSt in order to get OU imo. -- Maroon Baboon 06/08/2016 11:31PM

I could live with Oklahoma, Okl St, Baylor and Texas ** -- BigCrumpy 06/09/2016 08:04AM

I think ND is already in the fold. That's why I've defended Wake -- Burnss 06/08/2016 11:57PM

I don't think the SEC takes the leftovers. -- Maroon Baboon 06/09/2016 12:16AM

That's why I say the ACC must get ND and TX on board -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:39AM

The ESPN angle is interesting. But there are several Catch 22s here -- Maroon Baboon 06/09/2016 10:18AM

VT President, administration, and Board of Visitors are addressing giving- -- KnoxHokie 06/08/2016 7:59PM

Casteen at UVA way before 2003 was huge advocate of VT to the ACC. -- Stech 06/08/2016 10:29PM

Re: Casteen at UVA way before 2003 was huge advocate of VT to the ACC. -- SoCloseHokie 06/09/2016 06:41AM

Virginia switched to pro-VT in the last 25 years, perhaps- -- KnoxHokie 06/08/2016 11:24PM

There's no perhaps in front of Casteen, it's an indisputable fact. -- Stech 06/09/2016 06:03AM

The perhaps modifies the phrase "VA switched" - never doubted Casteen- -- KnoxHokie 06/09/2016 2:32PM

The Carolina Circle -- VT Rockie 06/08/2016 9:11PM

Thank you, sir for that. Great to hear an objective, yet level-headed -- Burnss 06/08/2016 8:13PM

Cooperation and unselfish behavior is needed for the ACC to advance- -- KnoxHokie 06/08/2016 11:13PM

Excellent Point -- VT Rockie 06/09/2016 07:23AM

I think that's the view of everyone outside of CH -- Burnss 06/08/2016 11:28PM

Let me flip it on you.... -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 7:18PM

Here's another question? -- Old Line Hokie 06/08/2016 9:49PM

I legitimately wouldn't kick our either... -- Burnss 06/08/2016 7:34PM

Pick one... remember, one would have to go ** -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 7:38PM

That's irrelevant. And if the Tech fanbase is -- Burnss 06/08/2016 8:22PM

Helps to be within 2 hours of Atlanta, Charlotte and Columbia..... ** -- CrystalCoveHokie 06/09/2016 12:30AM

But Clemson lies in the Greenville market -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:46AM

This is why people are disagreeing, you're arbitrary -- jmanatVT 06/09/2016 2:50PM

Nice diversion. Now, can you answer my question? -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 8:47PM

If I have the power to get rid of one, I have he power to stand pat -- Burnss 06/08/2016 11:17PM

Not offended... not insecure... -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 11:32PM

I started the thread in an attempt to gauge why people like you -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:05AM

How does one wrongly assume a hypothetical power? ** -- jmanatVT 06/09/2016 2:41PM

#1... where did I say I wanted to kick out Wake? -- Calamitous 06/09/2016 12:16AM

I guess I wasn't clear when I said that VT would -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:57AM

Yay!!!! We have an answer. Burnss would kick out Tech -- Calamitous 06/09/2016 01:11AM

Do you really think non-revenue sports are going to bring fans to the ACCN? -- EDGEMAN 06/08/2016 6:24PM

Your 3rd paragraph is spot on! ** -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 7:40PM

Not complaining. We don't know what Wake makes truly -- Burnss 06/08/2016 7:09PM

It is very clear now...I understand where you are coming from. -- EDGEMAN 06/08/2016 10:55PM

Kind of like the guy who walks his dog -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 11:42PM

Some of your comparisons mean little... -- Old Line Hokie 06/08/2016 6:19PM

You got what you signed up for though.,, -- Burnss 06/08/2016 6:47PM

Did not sign up for such a Swoffording away of this league. -- chuckd4vt 06/09/2016 01:45AM

Truth...you do in fact, say the same thing all the time ** -- daveinop 06/09/2016 07:37AM

Very true about we got what we signed up ..... -- Old Line Hokie 06/08/2016 9:21PM

Posted it before, Wake will look very good when this is all over.Many at VT -- Stech 06/08/2016 6:19PM

Have you ever been to a Wake game in Lane? Folks don't want to play them. ** -- chuckd4vt 06/08/2016 6:40PM

Yes the stadium was packed. -- Stech 06/08/2016 8:50PM

Wouldn't happen nowadays. And at that game tix were going for $10 outside. -- chuckd4vt 06/09/2016 12:45AM

Chuck you are complaining about something that is so rare. -- HOO86 06/08/2016 7:17PM

I'm usually upset when I see them wasting a coveted Thursday night TV spot. -- chuckd4vt 06/09/2016 12:53AM

Stacking Atlantic Division schedules with boring games hurts the ACC -- lawhokie 06/08/2016 8:52PM

The ACC nielsen numbers for football are known. -- HOO86 06/08/2016 9:15PM

Are you again citing the study that only looked at the top 10 games -- Colonel Jessup 06/08/2016 9:27PM

I think the ACC has a pair of title contenders already -- Burnss 06/08/2016 11:41PM

I think there is a disconnect between what -- Colonel Jessup 06/09/2016 07:41AM

Sports Media Watch lists every rated game every week. -- HOO86 06/08/2016 9:43PM

This tells me that Wake played a good schedule... -- lawhokie 06/09/2016 08:10AM

Thanks for the link -- Colonel Jessup 06/09/2016 07:22AM

Kudos my friend - like I said, I enjoy coming here -- Burnss 06/08/2016 6:28PM

Glad you care about Wake, nobody else does. -- chuckd4vt 06/08/2016 6:04PM

I wouldn't expect a Wake grad or fan to be working at a Subway... -- Burnss 06/08/2016 6:58PM

You're welcome for carrying the ACC while you guys were Clemsoning things. ** -- chuckd4vt 06/09/2016 12:38AM

That's actually embarrassing though -- Burnss 06/09/2016 01:08AM

I don't know the answer to whether Wake or Tech brought in more cash... -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 8:12PM

Your initial post was fine, but me thinx you're pushing your luck... -- HOKIEGOBBLE 06/08/2016 7:58PM

It all started with trying to gauge why Tech fans bash a team when -- Burnss 06/09/2016 12:18AM

You have some good arguments -- BigCrumpy 06/08/2016 5:25PM

Few would approve kicking out, but most would approve voluntary exit... -- jesuisvtguy 06/08/2016 5:23PM

I would be sad to see them go, VT has a long history and academic ties -- VictoryTurkey 06/08/2016 5:26PM

We are probably closer to Wake than any school but UVA ** -- BigCrumpy 06/08/2016 5:42PM

Thanks. There are a handfull of posters (unnamed) as you state -- East Cobb Hokie 06/08/2016 5:27PM

Actually it was UNC -- BigCrumpy 06/08/2016 5:30PM

Different topic, but interesting info. ** -- East Cobb Hokie 06/08/2016 5:33PM

VT should not be kicking anyone out. We got kicked out of the Metro... -- Hokie Dale 06/08/2016 4:56PM

VT will never vote anyone out of a conference -- EDGEMAN 06/08/2016 5:39PM

Alumni have very long memories, the reason it took us so long to get in ACC ** -- BigCrumpy 06/08/2016 5:26PM

VT revenue for 2015 was $80 million. VT women's soccer -- RJHokie 06/08/2016 4:50PM

Interesting Chart. Misses the point of this board though. -- Frozen Hokie 06/08/2016 4:49PM

No disrespect and I'm glad you don't have blinders on -- Burnss 06/08/2016 5:09PM

4 P5 universities in 39MM California.... -- Calamitous 06/08/2016 8:02PM

Very good point ** -- BigCrumpy 06/09/2016 08:10AM

So we need to move an NC school to each of those regions? ** -- Burnss 06/09/2016 01:14AM

Are you talking about WF again? -- EDGEMAN 06/09/2016 08:39AM

Of course not! -- Burnss 06/09/2016 10:06AM

I think the point of having four schools in one state has to do with ... -- EDGEMAN 06/08/2016 6:43PM

So we also need to rid of a Virginia school? And maybe one Florida school? ** -- Burnss 06/08/2016 7:01PM

Surprised you didn't advocate adding another NC school? ** -- EDGEMAN 06/08/2016 11:01PM

I think we should add another South Carolina school. -- HOO86 06/08/2016 7:20PM

Re: Wish I could give you a plus 1/2. Some very strong points in there

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