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About "becoming a ND fan"...

First, thank you for your thoughtful response. My original post was way too long... but I am glad you took the time to respond in detail.

I want to address this statement in your reply:
"(If we wanted to follow State U and a regional conference schedule, we wouldn't be ND fans.)"

In my experience, there are two (maybe 3) ways to become an ND fan:
1. Attend Notre Dame University.
2. Grow up Catholic. Or convert to Catholicism young enough to adjust your rooting interests :)
3. Have Irish ancestry (maybe)

I don't think #3 is really a thing... since there is little of ND these days that has anything to do with being Irish except the nickname. But my brother is an ND fan because of our Irish ancestry - at least that's what he tells people because we also grew up Catholic. LOL

I think #2 is the big thing. I remember conversations with priests after CCD and such referring to ND as "WE". I also think that is integral to why ND likely has the most haters - anti Catholic bias. (Not trying to start a holy war... just an observation). I have met many Catholics who hardly follow college football, but will check the highlights for 2 minutes on a weekend to see if "WE" won. LOL

About the ACC membership... I do see how the variety of scheduling is fun for ND. Back in the 80's when I attended VT, the Hokies were one of 40+ Independents in football. We had our traditional games (uva, wvu) and lots of regional games (Duke, WF, Clemson, Kentucky, Vandy, FSU). And way too much of W&M, Richmond, etc! The variety WAS fun. And today I do look forward to big OOC matchups just for the variety.

I think if external forces ever nudged ND into a conference (they will not go "willingly") it will be the ACC and will almost surely be a 7 game schedule - the minimum to have a "fair and equitable" championship game qualification. That may not be ideal for ND... but it would still allow for most of the scheduling preferences.

The "real downside" to conference membership would be perception. In strong years, it would be great (like the 2020 battles with Clemson), but I think ND's unspoken fear would be that in down years... they might become "just another ACC team". And THAT would not please the ND faithful IMHO.

(In response to this post by TerryD)

Posted: 04/18/2021 at 10:39AM

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I'm happy with our current arrangement. -- EDGEMAN 04/20/2021 09:53AM

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Terry D, well, stated input on how ND fans see themselves and the team, but -- MDHokie79 04/19/2021 7:28PM

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Pretty sure he was referring to the TD Jesus mural and NOT Jesus himself -- Culpeper Hokie 04/20/2021 12:34PM

Where did I mention Jesus at all? ** -- TerryD 04/20/2021 09:13AM

He was responding to MdHokie79's post. ** -- Culpeper Hokie 04/20/2021 11:48AM

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Great for graduation or gardening classes. ** -- goldendomer 04/18/2021 3:36PM

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Understand. ** -- Atlee Hokie 04/18/2021 1:10PM

About "becoming a ND fan"... -- gman86 04/18/2021 10:39AM

I became an ND fan because of two things -- TerryD 04/18/2021 11:42AM

3 LSU students rooting against LSU? -- gman86 04/20/2021 4:56PM

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They have never owned any LSU gear in their lives -- TerryD 04/23/2021 7:08PM

*** -- TerryD 04/23/2021 7:09PM

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Semi-indy beats non-indy -- TerryD 04/18/2021 10:27AM

Agree to a point... -- MrFantastic! 04/24/2021 07:38AM

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Reality says -- MrFantastic! 04/25/2021 09:00AM

In 2036, the ACC may be pulled apart and ND may end up in the Big Ten. -- TerryD 04/26/2021 11:27AM

They would help save ACC before the BIG, IMO ** -- MrFantastic! 04/28/2021 07:37AM

Unfortunately, I do not believe that at all -- TerryD 04/28/2021 11:08PM

(Short response) -- goldendomer 04/18/2021 02:35AM

About "becoming a ND fan"...

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