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The only question that matters: Whose hand breaks the plane of the wall?

If the fielder goes beyond the wall, the fan has the right to that space. If the fan is reaching out beyond the wall into the field of play, then it is interference. It is close to impossible to tell from these angles whether the contact was on the fan side or the fielder side of the fence. Betts’s arm appears to angle over the fence ... but at the same time, the fan’s hands are outstretched.

I’d lean toward homer, mostly because the fan’s hands seem more stationary. They’re not reaching on impact, whereas the fielder is drifting and angling back.

(In response to this post by CPRVHokie)

Posted: 10/18/2018 at 08:45AM

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Lounge baseball rules gurus: The Betts catch, out or HR? -- CPRVHokie 10/18/2018 07:05AM

Here is the relevant rule: -- CPRVHokie 10/18/2018 10:16AM

HR. The ball was clearly over the fence and the fans didn't reach out -- MCL3 Hokie 10/18/2018 09:37AM

The problem is there's no "clearly" -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 10:41AM

Look at where the fans have their arms. Right next to their bodies. -- MCL3 Hokie 10/18/2018 12:37PM

They're also standing up, pressed right up against the wall -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 12:55PM

Not sure what baseball rules say but justice = OUT ** -- BG Hokie 10/18/2018 09:26AM

Rule says if it’s over the fence, no interference. -- CPRVHokie 10/18/2018 10:10AM

I'd guess the fan was over the imaginary line, not definitive though. ** -- BG Hokie 10/18/2018 10:15AM

Just watched it again with the rule in mind. OUT, fan seemed clearly -- BG Hokie 10/18/2018 10:17AM

Anyone who sees anything "clearly" in these replays has an agenda or POV -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 10:42AM

Sometimes that's true. But Danny Coale clearly caught that ball. ** -- Hokie360 10/18/2018 10:51AM

Emphasis on the word "these" replays ** -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 11:03AM

You certainly nailed the agenda! ** -- BG Hokie 10/18/2018 10:51AM

Out -- VT Pops 10/18/2018 08:47AM

See 48zip’s link below. It hits a fan. ** -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 08:57AM

The only question that matters: Whose hand breaks the plane of the wall? -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 08:45AM

How was it ruled originally? Shouldn't have been changed no matter what. ** -- reestuart 10/18/2018 11:30AM

Ruled an out originally, kept an out ** -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 11:31AM

That sounds like the right call. I could see it either way. The fans are -- reestuart 10/18/2018 11:48AM

I'm no guru and didn't see the game, but I can see why it was ruled an out. -- MP4VT2004 10/18/2018 08:25AM

To me it looked like Betts went beyond the field of play to make the catch -- TheNuke 10/18/2018 08:29AM

There isn’t an umpire in the world who could have gotten in position** -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 08:47AM

They need a foul pole camera that shows down the fence line. Then 1 or two -- hoosnowahokie 10/18/2018 09:30AM

That's unpossible. Very few MLB stadium have straight-line outfield walls -- Nova Hokie 95 10/18/2018 10:37AM

Down the fence line would be better than a camera well angle. -- hoosnowahokie 10/18/2018 10:41AM

They have a foul pole camera. Security was leaning over the fence -- CPRVHokie 10/18/2018 10:17AM

A better view from Sportscenter twitter -- 48zip 10/18/2018 08:23AM

Out. -- J-Dub 10/18/2018 08:04AM

But what's the rule? ** -- ModerateHokie 10/18/2018 09:29AM

Part of Rule 2 -- 48zip 10/18/2018 10:44AM

Does that matter if it's out of the field of play? ** -- reestuart 10/18/2018 09:16AM

Yes. Fan has to reach into field of play for interference ** -- CPRVHokie 10/18/2018 10:12AM

That's what I thought. It's not all that clear in the replay. First time -- reestuart 10/18/2018 11:24AM

Now I am seeing the detail you said -- VaTechie 10/18/2018 08:16AM

The only question that matters: Whose hand breaks the plane of the wall?

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