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  1. #11

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    1. We're not joining the SEC
    2. We don't have the demand to expand the stadium

  2. #12

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    it is not happening any time soon, another problem, we actually filled the stadium (i go to all home games) maybe twice last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    I know the athletic dept has done some internal engineering studies on potential expansion scenarios. First all know that the initial east end expansion was not well thought of. (We didn't have the brightest most strategic leadership at the time). ALso, we really boxed ourselves in on the west end as well. While we were pursuing the addition we should have built in capacity for an additional deck if needed.

    The corner additions frankly can be built as "inserts'. separate component seating. Also on the north side, again if the athletic dept would be willing to invest in some imagitive structural components, they could make it work. However, cost would increase and they would look at Return of investment on the seats provided versus cost to construct the structure. This cost might not make a good business case.

  3. #13

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    lots of concrete and rebar with a little hokie stone

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgeman View Post
    Have a feeling that if we're ever to join the SEC, we'll need more stadium seating. What do we gain if the North endzone is expanded like the South? (Not sure, but don't think that would add that many additional seats.) Aside from narrowing the seats to get more people into the stadium, what's next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCHokie83 View Post
    They really went short-sighted with the expansion to the West side. As pretty as it may be, it completely capped that whole sideline of the stadium at a very low number of physical seats for a venue that supports a "Big time" program such as ourselves. We may seriously have to tear down part of that structure in order to get the additional seats that we'd need for the demand that would come in the SEC. That is, unless we could find a way to slap a 2nd deck on the East without having to completely renovate.

    Eventually the North End Zone will need to be built up to meet the size of the South, eventually. But to do that, we could take a page out of Ohio State and just bleacher it all the way up to make it a sea of student seating so we could open up the entire East stands to alumni. The South could be expanded sideways and up to better fill in the gaps in the corners, and get us more seats upwards.
    There could be limitations based on how much traffic can be added to the area on game day with existing roads. VT would need to join the SEC before considering expanding much more, from a financial POV. At this point in time the SEC may take VT as is, if Clemson and FSU bolt, with the understanding that VT would be increase seating by at least 30k. Traffic logistics seem to be the biggest hurdle in adding 30 to 40k additional seats. It is not likely that filling in corners would add that many seats.

    It may be more reasonable to build a new stadium with the future in mind... possibly closer to 460. Obviously that would take years of planning. The big issue would be determining if Lane Stadium could handle another expansion and could stand for 75 to 100 years, or if it is time to consider building a new Lane Stadium with 100,000 seats.

    We also need to learn from FSU... they have an SEC size stadium, but have not sold out in a decade or so. If FSU can't stay at the top for ever, what would make anyone think that wouldn't happen at VT some time in the future? Joining the SEC would be great for football at VT, but it does open up all kinds of stadium and traffic issues, that could stimulate the economy short term. Would a new Lane Stadium, or an expanded Lane Stadium have a good return for the money and effort?

    It really is too soon after the latest expansion of Lane Stadium to start thinking of building an entirely new stadium, but we will need more seats if VT moves to the SEC. That is the biggest issue I believe keeping VT out of the SEC. Why take on a massive debt when you don't have to? Lane Stadium is a good size for the ACC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooked road View Post
    1. We're not joining the SEC
    2. We don't have the demand to expand the stadium
    if (1) then (2)...but ya never know

  6. #16

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    The seats are empty due to uninteresting games. The problem with the ACC is that only 1 or 2 home games is interesting.

    In the SEC, especially in the beginning, every game except Vandy, and maybe Ole Miss, Miss State, would be packed to the edge of the stadium. I guarantee we'd be at capacity for Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessess, South Carolina, and Florida. 60% of your possible league opponents are marquee draws. We'd still get UVa which is usually close to full. Lane would be full at 75k just as easily as 66k.

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    Well, first FSU has to go to the B12...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    I know the athletic dept has done some internal engineering studies on potential expansion scenarios. First all know that the initial east end expansion was not well thought of. (We didn't have the brightest most strategic leadership at the time). ALso, we really boxed ourselves in on the west end as well. While we were pursuing the addition we should have built in capacity for an additional deck if needed.

    The corner additions frankly can be built as "inserts'. separate component seating. Also on the north side, again if the athletic dept would be willing to invest in some imagitive structural components, they could make it work. However, cost would increase and they would look at Return of investment on the seats provided versus cost to construct the structure. This cost might not make a good business case.
    ROI? Won't this be donor money? As opposed to borrowed money (and related debt service). Do you know preps weren't made in the foundations, etc, for future vertical expansion? (I have no idea)
    I will never understand people.
    They're the worst!

  9. #19

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    No, playing fantasy football gets old. We seldom fill the stadium. I know a lot of folks on TSL love to envy SEC football. We're not them. No matter how much some on here desire, we won't be them.
    The fantasy of playing Alabama in Lane every 3rd or 4th year won't pay for a massive addition to the stadium. But, when you play with fantasies - 'ya never know'. Even if you're totally disconnected from reality, you still have the fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooked road View Post
    1. We're not joining the SEC
    2. We don't have the demand to expand the stadium
    yeah, because if Bama, Tennessee, UGA, etc. were coming in here on a weekly basis, we'd get exactly as many rears in seats as when Duke, Weak Florists, or BC visit....

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