GCHokie34 - Very insightful. And, think you are spot on.
I think what you're hearing is just frustration. We get the same message from all the knowledgeable posters, you, Rev, Cville. It's always the same - "The obstacles facing VT having even a moderately successful basketball program are so steep it makes that very notion practically impossible." You even said it yourself, *you* wouldn't want the job here. If alumi don't want the job of coaching here because the situation is so stacked against you, what's the point?
Well, if that's the case, the solution isn't *more* money, it's less. Money can only buy you so many things, one thing that money will never be able to buy Virginia Tech is moving our physical location. Our school is built where it's built and that can and will never change.
If everything is truly as bleak as you make it out to be based largely on factors that are completely out of our control, then perhaps the best solution is to pack it up as a program. I mean, still participate, but just do the very least possible, spend the very least possible, and just kind of mentally and fiscally fold on the whole situation. Just accept our fate as the "Duke Football" of ACC Basketball.
There's a difference between a "fact" and an "opinion that you agree with."
as a matter of fact, using the Beamer Model...here's what the first six years of this coach's tenure would look like
do you think ANY coach in today's culture, at an ACC program, could survive that?!? Don't kid yourself...
since Beamer's rookie years the stakes have gotten bigger. the money has skyrocketed. the players have changed. the fans bases have become more hungry for wins, and thus athletic department have become much less tolerant of failure early in careers
even if you have some great years, fan bases have pushed coaches out the door for not sustaining that success...
3 guys who were fired recently after taking their teams to the final four, the pinnacle of coaching college basketball...John Brady was fired 2 years after he made the final four...2 years!!
Ben Howland was very close to being fired and he went to three straight final fours...
so what today's coaches have to do is seek out the jobs that put themselves in a position to succeed early, then sustain that success...as an assistant you want to join a staff that has been there a while with some sustained success...you don't want to join a staff who is likely to jump ship or is on the hot seat, because you don't want to be left standing without a job when the new staff comes in
as a head coach, you do your research on which jobs have the positives that will allow you to win early...is the university close to an urban area that tends to have an affinity for your university, thus leading to some good prospects who will be interested in your school since an early age...you want to have an athletic department who is committed to your success, both financially and in the promotion of your program...you want to have a fan base who is passionate about your program (which VT has a little bit of) and a good basketball knowledge that won't demand an amount of success the program has never sustained in the entire history of the program
the landscape of college basketball has changed, and so too have coaches...they've had to, you have to adapt...and if the game changes again, so will coaches, or those coaches will die out
I am trying to pattern my path after the blueprint I laid out above...you can never be certain about who will stay and who will go, because as I've explained, a couple bad years means youre fired, even after wild success
but what do I know, I have no vision...
I will use an example that is close to me. It is a football example, but you will get the point......
In 2000, the NC State football program was not getting it done on the field. The football program had some good wins, but they were losing way too many head scracthers and could not consistently beat their rivals (mainly UNC). They fired, our very own, Mike O'Cain to hire a fiesty, charasmatic man to breath some life back into the program. They hired Chuck Amato.
Chuck, much like Seth, is all charisma. The guy eats, sleeps, breaths his sport and could sell a flame thrower to a snowman. Amato lead the Wolfpack to two straight winning seasons, two straight bowl appearances, and a bowl win (Micron PC Bowl). The fans were pumped for the future. Life was back in the program!......the next year, NCSU started 9-0 on the way to an 11-3 record and a win over Notre Dame in the Gator Bowl. Holy crap, the town of Raleigh threw a parade in the downtown Raleigh for the team.....no joke.
Well, the team was winning and getting to new heights (much like VT was doing under CSG). The fans were so excited, they were pumping money into the program like gangbusters. The donations helped build a world-class football center. Along with all of the donations, the fans bought lifetime rights to seats in Carter-Finley. Yes, they fored over thousands upon thousands of dollars to make sure they had a seat reserved for themselves for the rest of eternity. The future was grand!!
Well, after another "solid" season, things went south for the Wolfpack. They lost Philip Rivers for one, and then they realized that Chuck was just not a great "X's and O's" coach. In other words, he could not assemble a team that could perform up to standards out on the field.
The last three years of the Amato-era were tough. Donations did sink. The ROI was simply not there. This was all happening during years 5-7 of Amato's tenure. Amato had pumped life back into the program, had taken the program to levels it had not been in a while, but the fans and admin knew that he had peaked, and in order to maintain some form of fan support (money), they needed to move on.
I saw this all with my own eyes because I was a Wolfpack Club member. I have walked through the Murphy Center in Raleigh more times than recruits, and I can tell you, that is the house the fans built (and it is QUITE the house).......
The point of all this goes back to timing. We are approaching a decade under the current regime, and you are now suggesting we pump in our money? I am not so sure it works that way. Be it right or wrong, excitement brings in money, and there is not a ton to be excited about with our basketball program. Although different sports, I personally see the Greenberg/Amato thing playing out very similarly (although CSG will get more time because of the lower expectations of our basketball program).
So yeah, I don't think you are trying to hold VT down; however, I just question the timing of your recommendations, and also question why bringing in new blood is out of the question. New blood, typically, means more excitement and donations. I think being in the business, you would generally agree with me on that. If the goal is to get more money into the program, the way I see it at least, is to produce immediately on the court or bring in new blood.
I hope all of this makes a little bit of sense because I am not going to go back and read it.
Last edited by Hubman; Thu Apr 12 2012 at 01:55 PM.
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