I'm convinved you're having an argument with someone who exists only in your mind. But, from the looks of it you don't read your own posts, so I guess asking you to read anyone else's would be a real stretch as well.
There's a difference between a "fact" and an "opinion that you agree with."
So comparing basketball success (vs 320 other teams) to football success (vs 120 other teams), here is a rough translation matrix:
BB Final Four = FB national champion
BB Elite Eight = FB BCS title game
BB Sweet Sixteen = FB BCS bowl
BB NCAA berth = FB berth in Capital One, Cotton, CFA, Outback, Gator, Alamo, Holiday, or Champs bowl
BB NIT berth = FB berth in Sun, Liberty, Music City, Insight, Texas, or Independence Bowl
To translate Beamer's success into basketball terms, our football program is a consistent Sweet Sixteen performer with 16 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearances, and one season where we didn't make the postseason (the bowl in SF is so far down the ladder, it has no equivalent in basketball terms) in the last 19 years.
So Seth way, way overachieved immediately. And Beamer didn't start really achieving until 7 years into his tenure -- in fact, 6 years into it we were massively underachieving. That's actually why the comparisons are terrible. Because their tenures have not been similar at all, really.
It's NOT the top 64/68 teams when teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid. There are teams that make the NIT that are rated higher than teams in the NCAA tourney.
And you're comparing Beamer's complete VT career (25 seasons), not his first 11 like I did. Wait until Greenberg finishes his 25th year coaching at VT, then talk to me.
Granted, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison and was never intended to be put under a microscope and be compared exactly, precisely, annally item by item. It was just thrown out there for discussion and many have found the comparison valid enough to warrant a meaningful discussion.
Think of it as a 'term of endearment' in a Richie Incognito sort-of-way.
you're comparing apples to oranges
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