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  1. #21

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    I was out at the CAA Tournament this weekend and couldnt help but notice that ODU fans are having the EXACT same argument about keeping Blaine Taylor around. The pro-Taylor crowd point to his success (two straight NCAA's in 10 and 11) and where they were prior to his taking the job. The anti-Blaine crowd think he has maxed out his potential and cant take them further (has only won 1 NCAA game in 12 years, 1 in 22 years overall). Pretty much the exact same thing as Seth, except Blaine Taylor actually makes the NCAA Tournament once in a while.

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    You (conveniently) didn't answer my question. Is there a reason...?

    Quote Originally Posted by avhokie View Post
    Is making the NIT a good year? Because I think the goal should be making the NCAA tournament at least every few years. And we haven't done that some of the best talent that we've had here. And I see no progress at all in the offense of this team. And no progress throughout this year. We've seen nothing that should give us any confidence that we'd make the dance in the next two years.
    I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not like the screaming passengers in his car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YBYSAIAHokie View Post
    You (conveniently) didn't answer my question. Is there a reason...?
    That's because your premise (1 bad season out of 6) is false. And you didn't answer any of my points.
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    Our 9-7 conference record looks like that because of the unbalanced schedule. The '06-'07 year was really the only outlier where we consistently beat top teams in the conference.

    2006-07 ACC Standings and VT record against, not including ACCTourney.
    North Carolina 11-5 31-7 || 2-0
    Virginia 11-5 21-11 || 1-1
    Maryland 10-6 25-9 || 1-0
    Virginia Tech 10-6 22-12 ||
    Boston College 10-6 21-12 || 1-1
    Duke 8-8 22-11 || 1-0

    Georgia Tech 8-8 20-12 || 1-0
    Clemson 7-9 25-11 || 0-1
    Florida State 7-9 22-13 || 0-1
    North Carolina State 5-11 20-16 || 0-2
    Wake Forest 5-11 15-16 || 1-0
    Miami (FL) 4-12 12-20 || 2-0

    2007-08 ACC Standings and VT record against, not including ACCTourney.
    North Carolina 14-2 36-3 || 0-1
    Duke 13-3 28-6 || 0-1
    Clemson 10-6 24-10 || 0-1
    Virginia Tech 9-7 21-14 ||
    Miami (FL) 8-8 23-11 || 0-1
    Maryland 8-8 19-15 || 2-0

    Wake Forest 7-9 17-13 || 1-1
    Florida State 7-9 19-15 || 1-0
    Georgia Tech 7-9 15-17 || 1-1
    Virginia 5-11 17-16 || 2-0
    North Carolina State 4-12 15-16 || 0-1
    Boston College 4-12 14-17 || 2-0

    2008-09 ACC Standings and VT record against, not including ACCTourney.
    North Carolina 13-3 34-4 || 0-1
    Duke 11-5 30-7 || 0-2
    Wake Forest 11-5 24-7 || 1-0
    Florida State 10-6 25-10 || 0-2
    Clemson 9-7 23-9 || 1-1
    Boston College 9-7 22-12 || 1-1

    Maryland 7-9 21-14 || 0-1
    Miami (FL) 7-9 19-13 || 1-0
    Virginia Tech 7-9 19-15 ||
    North Carolina State 6-10 16-14 || 1-0
    Virginia 4-12 10-18 || 1-1
    Georgia Tech 2-14 12-19 || 1-0

    2009-10 ACC Standings and VT record against, not including ACCTourney.
    Duke 13-3 35-5 || 0-1
    Maryland 13-3 24-9 || 0-1
    Virginia Tech 10-6 25-9 ||
    Florida State 10-6 22-10 || 0-1
    Clemson 9-7 21-11 || 1-0
    Wake Forest 9-7 20-11 || 1-0

    Georgia Tech 7-9 23-13 || 1-0
    Boston College 6-10 15-16 || 1-1
    North Carolina State 5-11 20-16 || 2-0
    North Carolina 5-11 20-17 || 1-1
    Virginia 5-11 15-16 || 2-0
    Miami (FL) 4-12 20-13 || 1-1

    2010-11 ACC Standings and VT record against, not including ACCTourney.
    North Carolina 14-2 29-8 || 0-1
    Duke 13-3 32-5 || 1-0
    Florida State 11-5 23-11 || 1-0
    Virginia Tech 9-7 22-12 ||
    Clemson 9-7 22-12 || 0-1
    Boston College 9-7 21-13 || 0-2

    Maryland 7-9 19-14 || 2-0
    Virginia 7-9 16-15 || 0-2
    Miami (FL) 6-10 21-15 || 1-0
    North Carolina State 5-11 15-16 || 1-0
    Georgia Tech 5-11 13-18 || 1-1
    Wake Forest 1-15 8-24 || 2-0


    So, against the top half of the ACC, we have gone 15-20, and the bottom half we are 30-15. Take out 06-07 and the record against the top half falls to 9-18, or two wins a season.

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    Taylor has taken ODU to the NCAA tournament 4 times in the last 7 years, not counting this year. That is light years better than Seth.

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    You can see where that cupcake OOC scheduling got us. 1 NCAA appearance the last 8 years. I'll take making The Dance over getting 20 wins over Coastal Carolina types.
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    Even if my premise is false, you still could've answered my question, but didn't. Your silence speaks volumes.

    I'll ask it again:

    If you were the VT AC and you hired another coach and he averaged 21 wins a season and 9 wins in the ACC every year but didn't make the NCAA tourney, how many years would you keep him on before firing him?

    Quote Originally Posted by avhokie View Post
    That's because your premise (1 bad season out of 6) is false. And you didn't answer any of my points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YBYSAIAHokie View Post
    Even if my premise is false, you still could've answered my question, but didn't. Your silence speaks volumes.

    I'll ask it again:

    If you were the VT AC and you hired another coach and he averaged 21 wins a season and 9 wins in the ACC every year but didn't make the NCAA tourney, how many years would you keep him on before firing him?
    Silence speaks volumes? You put out a false premise, you ignore my points, and MY silence speaks volumes?!? LOL, good one dude.

    And 21 wins based on cupcakes OOC, 9 wins in the ACC every year when the ACC has been down for a while, resulting in 1 NCAA appearance and not even doing great in the NIT = coach on very thin ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YBYSAIAHokie View Post
    Yes, and if we made the NCAA tourney every 2-3 years, they'd complain that we never make the Sweet Sixteen. Then if we made the Sweet Sixteen 1 out of 4-5 years, they'd complain we never make the Final Four...and so on...and so on...and so on.
    I wouldn't. Sure there are some people who are going to be in/near the impossible to please category, but I don't thing expecting to make the NCAA more than once in a decade is unreasonable...any noise we make there would be gravy for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by YBYSAIAHokie View Post
    You know, it wasn't long ago when many of them were praising Weaver for finding and hiring Greenberg and screaming at him to 'lock up' Greenberg with a long-term contract so other schools wouldn't lure him away.
    my initial reaction to the "lock him up" posts was always something like "really? we've made a nice turnaround, but..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAHokie07 View Post
    Our 9-7 conference record looks like that because of the unbalanced schedule. The '06-'07 year was really the only outlier where we consistently beat top teams in the conference.

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    So, against the top half of the ACC, we have gone 15-20, and the bottom half we are 30-15. Take out 06-07 and the record against the top half falls to 9-18, or two wins a season.
    That's some really good data. Thanks for compiling.
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