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  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femoyer Hokie View Post
    Totally depends on the number of subscribers. SEC is in smaller markets than B1G.
    Okay so out of curiosity I ran the numbers:

    B1G states:

    Illinois 12,882,135
    Pennsylvania 12,773,801
    Ohio 11,570,808
    Michigan 9,895,622
    Indiana 6,570,902
    Wisconsin 5,742,713
    Minnesota 5,420,380
    Iowa 3,090,416
    Nebraska 1,868,516
    Sub total 50,362,256

    New Jersey 8,899,339
    Maryland 5,928,814
    Total 65,190,409


    SEC states:

    Texas 26,448,193
    Florida 19,552,860
    Georgia 9,992,167
    Tennessee 6,495,978
    Missouri 6,044,171
    Alabama 4,833,722
    South Carolina 4,774,839
    Louisiana 4,625,470
    Kentucky 4,395,295
    Mississippi 2,991,207
    Arkansas 2,959,373
    Total 93,113,275


    Final Score:
    SEC markets 93,113,275
    B1G markets 65,190,409
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    Quote Originally Posted by 133304Hokie View Post
    Okay so out of curiosity I ran the numbers:

    B1G states:

    Illinois 12,882,135
    Pennsylvania 12,773,801
    Ohio 11,570,808
    Michigan 9,895,622
    Indiana 6,570,902
    Wisconsin 5,742,713
    Minnesota 5,420,380
    Iowa 3,090,416
    Nebraska 1,868,516
    Sub total 50,362,256

    New Jersey 8,899,339
    Maryland 5,928,814
    Total 65,190,409


    SEC states:

    Texas 26,448,193
    Florida 19,552,860
    Georgia 9,992,167
    Tennessee 6,495,978
    Missouri 6,044,171
    Alabama 4,833,722
    South Carolina 4,774,839
    Louisiana 4,625,470
    Kentucky 4,395,295
    Mississippi 2,991,207
    Arkansas 2,959,373
    Total 93,113,275


    Final Score:
    SEC markets 93,113,275
    B1G markets 65,190,409
    I think your B1G numbers add up to about 85 mil. But point well taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 133304Hokie View Post
    SEC states:

    Texas 26,448,193
    Florida 19,552,860
    Aren't the numbers a bit misleading? How many of the 26+ million in Texas really interested in aTm? The same for the Gators in Florida? I mean we are giving a lot of credit for having a SINGLE school in two of the top four most populous states.....

  4. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by 133304Hokie View Post
    Okay so out of curiosity I ran the numbers:

    B1G states:

    Illinois 12,882,135 (+0.40%)
    Pennsylvania 12,773,801 (+0.56%)
    Ohio 11,570,808 (+0.30%)
    Michigan 9,895,622 (+0.12%)
    Indiana 6,570,902 (+1.34%)
    Wisconsin 5,742,713 (+0.98%)
    Minnesota 5,420,380 (+2.20%)
    Iowa 3,090,416 (+1.45%)
    Nebraska 1,868,516 (+2.31%)
    Maryland 5,928,814 (+2.69%)
    New Jersey 8,899,339 (+1.22%)
    Sub total 50,362,256

    New Jersey 8,899,339 (+2.69%)
    Maryland 5,928,814 (+1.22%)
    Total 65,190,409


    SEC states:

    Texas 26,448,193 (+5.18%)
    Florida 19,552,860 (+4.00%)
    Georgia 9,992,167 (+3.14%)
    Tennessee 6,495,978 (+2.36%)
    Missouri 6,044,171 (+0.92%)
    Alabama 4,833,722 (+1.13%)
    South Carolina 4,774,839 (+3.23%)
    Louisiana 4,625,470 (+2.03%)
    Kentucky 4,395,295 (+1.29%)
    Mississippi 2,991,207 (+0.81%)
    Arkansas 2,959,373 (+1.49%)
    Total 93,113,275


    Final Score:
    SEC markets 93,113,275
    B1G markets 65,190,409
    I added the growth rates because that should also be a factor. I also added the ACC states. When you look at these numbers, you can see what the ACC offices are crowing about when they talk footprint. The ACC's is the largest, and it includes some of the fastest growing states albeit they overlap with the SEC, (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina). The fastest growing is Texas. This makes a good argument to look for ACC presence in Texas should the ACC add. It also makes the case for possibly another Florida School if the Television money would be there to add it. Those are the growth states. Then perhaps another state like Louisiana. We've talked about all three before on this board, not so much Florida but the other two and Oklahoma.

    The Big Ten and SEC crowd will argue that the fans in these states don't follow the ACC, but the ACC is definitely in them.

    ACC States

    Florida 19,552,860 (+4.00%)
    Georgia 9,992,167 (+3.14%)
    South Carolina 4,774,839 (+3.23%)
    North Carolina 9.848,060 (+3.28%)
    Virginia 8,260,405 (+3.24%)
    Kentucky 4,395,295 (+1.29%)
    Indiana 6,570,902 (+1.34%)
    Pennsylvania 12,773,801 (+0.56%)
    New York 19,651,127 (+1.41.%)
    Massachusetts 6,692,824 (+2.22%)

    Total 102,512,280

    ACC possibilities not included in any of the lists:

    West Virginia 1,854,304 (+0.07%)
    Connecticut 3,596,080 (+0.62%)
    Oklahoma 3,850,568 (+2.64%)

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    Speaking of expanding into Texas, I always wondered if a complete or near-complete merger between the ACC-BigXII would work out financially.

    I was thinking like if the heavyweights (Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, FSU, Clemson, et al.) promise to stay (and possibly lure in ND at that point), then give some of the mid-level teams the chance to leave for say the Pac12, Big10, or SEC, or make some of the mid-level programs available to said conferences as a way to reduce the numbers of the ACC-BigXII. I'm thinking--what if Texas Tech goes to the Pac12, Kansas goes to the B1G and a Va and/or NC school go to the SEC. I'm talking schools where they would have multiple schools in one state and it wouldn't be a big deal to lose one of them for TV purposes and it would help with scheduling to lose a team or two.

    It would also benefit the other conferences since they would know that the merged conference would be on the same competitive level as the other three major conferences, and that they would know that it is now or never to take such teams off the ACC-BigXII's hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOO86 View Post
    I added the growth rates because that should also be a factor. I also added the ACC states. When you look at these numbers, you can see what the ACC offices are crowing about when they talk footprint. The ACC's is the largest, and it includes some of the fastest growing states albeit they overlap with the SEC, (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina). The fastest growing is Texas. This makes a good argument to look for ACC presence in Texas should the ACC add. It also makes the case for possibly another Florida School if the Television money would be there to add it. Those are the growth states. Then perhaps another state like Louisiana. We've talked about all three before on this board, not so much Florida but the other two and Oklahoma.

    The Big Ten and SEC crowd will argue that the fans in these states don't follow the ACC, but the ACC is definitely in them.

    ACC States

    Florida 19,552,860 (+4.00%)
    Georgia 9,992,167 (+3.14%)
    South Carolina 4,774,839 (+3.23%)
    North Carolina 9.848,060 (+3.28%)
    Virginia 8,260,405 (+3.24%)
    Kentucky 4,395,295 (+1.29%)
    Indiana 6,570,902 (+1.34%)
    Pennsylvania 12,773,801 (+0.56%)
    New York 19,651,127 (+1.41.%)
    Massachusetts 6,692,824 (+2.22%)

    Total 102,512,280

    ACC possibilities not included in any of the lists:

    West Virginia 1,854,304 (+0.07%)
    Connecticut 3,596,080 (+0.62%)
    Oklahoma 3,850,568 (+2.64%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon Baboon View Post
    Speaking of expanding into Texas, I always wondered if a complete or near-complete merger between the ACC-BigXII would work out financially.

    I was thinking like if the heavyweights (Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, FSU, Clemson, et al.) promise to stay (and possibly lure in ND at that point), then give some of the mid-level teams the chance to leave for say the Pac12, Big10, or SEC, or make some of the mid-level programs available to said conferences as a way to reduce the numbers of the ACC-BigXII. I'm thinking--what if Texas Tech goes to the Pac12, Kansas goes to the B1G and a Va and/or NC school go to the SEC. I'm talking schools where they would have multiple schools in one state and it wouldn't be a big deal to lose one of them for TV purposes and it would help with scheduling to lose a team or two.

    It would also benefit the other conferences since they would know that the merged conference would be on the same competitive level as the other three major conferences, and that they would know that it is now or never to take such teams off the ACC-BigXII's hands.
    If Texas Tech is going to the PAC-12 (renamed PAC-13?), then who would be the 14th member (so the PAC-12 could become the PAC-14)? Baylor and TCU are out because they are religious schools and too conservative for the PAC-12. I do not believe Kansas will be able to join the Big Ten unless Kansas State goes too. Would the Big Ten be willing to take both schools?

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by 133304Hokie View Post
    Just imagine how much they will be charging per subscriber over the next decade. In 5 years they'll charge $3/sub. In 10 years it'll be $5...
    No, they won't. With more people "cutting the cable" each month, this will only add more reasons for the non-sports-fan to do this. Cable companies will fight tooth and nail to prevent cost-creep by the network. As more and more networks try to generate the same type of income (B1G, P16, SEC, ACC, FS1, along with other non-sports channels), the average consumer's cable bill will keep increasing. At some time in the future, it will reach a tipping point where even casual sports fans will throw up their arms. Cable bills can't keep going up at the current rates forever.

    People are making the mistake of projecting the current sports media landscape out into the future, when the foundation of it (fees being borne by all cable subscribers, even those that don't watch sports), is already starting to crumble. A paradigm shift is coming. Sports will at a minimum be moved to their own tiers, with costs borne only by subscribers of that tier, and they're going to be pricey. Beyond that, think college football pay-per-view.

    Would love to hear CobbCountyHokie's take on this. Am I totally off-base here?

    In a semi-related matter, keep an eye on CBS v Aereo, coming soon to a U.S. Supreme Court near you. If Aereo wins, this will cause a HUGE shakeup in the network TV world, with sports programming feeling the trickle-down effects.
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    1. I was just using them as examples. My list was not exhaustive either. And who knows, the Pac12 might want TT and UNLV for example. The B1G might want KU and Mizzou. And then the SEC might take NCState and either VT or UVa..and maybe even Okie State.

    2. I think there is a great deal of religious prejudice in the Pac12. Still scratching my head over why they wouldn't take BYU over Utah. BYU has a national and even international following. And UU is distant second even in their home state. But whatever. And from my understanding, TCU isn't nearly as "religious" as Baylor.

    3. I don't think it would matter if KU went to the B1G if K-State had a good home.
    Last edited by Maroon Baboon; Mon Jan 13 2014 at 10:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon Baboon View Post
    1. I was just using them as examples. My list was not exhaustive either. And who knows, the Pac12 might want TT and UNLV for example. The B1G might want KU and Mizzou. And then the SEC might take NCState and either VT or UVa..and maybe even Okie State.

    2. I think there is a great deal of religious prejudice in the Pac12. Still scratching my head why they wouldn't take BYU over Utah. BYU has a national and even international following. And UU is distant second even in their home state. But whatever. And from my understanding, TCU isn't nearly as "religious" as Baylor.

    3. I don't think it would matter is KU went to the B1G if K-State had a good home.
    2. BYU refuses to play athletic events on Sundays, which creates scheduling problems since majority of the PAC-12 sports (large percentage of non-revenue sports) play on Sundays.

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    Right. You'd just think that people should be able to work out such things. Oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by VTHokie2000 View Post
    2. BYU refuses to play athletic events on Sundays, which creates scheduling problems since majority of the PAC-12 sports (large percentage of non-revenue sports) play on Sundays.

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