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    Luck, Boyd, Boyd, McCarron and Hundley

    All NFL caliber QBs. That's the common denominator. College rules and such today are skewed very much in the offense's benefit, and if you don't have a offense that can run up yards and points (we don't) then even with good defensive talent the other team will score points. So that combo gets you housed. If you look at our close losses the last 2 seasons, the other team had non nfl qbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCHokie83 View Post

    2014 is going to be a struggle, but starting in 2015 you're going to see a much better VT product on the field than we even saw in the years of consecutive 10 win seasons.
    Wow. That's a very optimistic prognostication. I assume you think that because we'll still have Bud's defense, we'll have at least the kind of talent we had on offense back in 2003-2005/2007-2010 PLUS competent offensive coaches. Is that the basis for the optimism? It'll be interesting to see how we fare in the ACC in 2015 and beyond because FSU is back in a big way and Clemson looks pretty good too. We might be better than the last decade and actually win fewer conference titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieJamie View Post
    Luck, Boyd, Boyd, McCarron and Hundley

    All NFL caliber QBs. That's the common denominator. College rules and such today are skewed very much in the offense's benefit, and if you don't have a offense that can run up yards and points (we don't) then even with good defensive talent the other team will score points. So that combo gets you housed. If you look at our close losses the last 2 seasons, the other team had non nfl qbs.

    That's a great observation. We've beaten some NFL-caliber QBs, but it appears that when the other team has equal talent PLUS an NFL-caliber QB, the likelihood of an ugly loss increases significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride_and_Joy View Post
    Thoughts?
    we're not as good as we used to be and there's no shortage of statistical or anecdotal support for that

    Quote Originally Posted by Pride_and_Joy View Post
    One more thing, during that 15 year stretch, we never had more than two years in a row in which we lost a game or games by 20+. In other words, if it happened one or two years in a row, we corrected it. We've now had it happen at least once in each of the past four seasons.
    I'm not sure you can conclude that in the past we "corrected it." It just didn't happen very often.

    As others have said, I think we've failed to evolve in recent years and parts of the game have passed us by. We've taken some steps in the direction of fixing that and we'll see how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCHokie83 View Post
    So basically, Frank Beamer has reached the post-ACC Expansion Bobby Bowden point of his career where the game has passed him by and he's just holding on to rack up a few more wins before retiring?

    Meh, I don't see that. We have a good future ahead of us right now. He just stuck with crap coaches who let the offensive side of the ball deteriorate way beyond a reasonably acceptable point, and now we have to deal with the blowback before the new recruits get back up to speed.

    2014 is going to be a struggle, but starting in 2015 you're going to see a much better VT product on the field than we even saw in the years of consecutive 10 win seasons.
    I don't think he was saying Frank can't fix it, or that it's not fixable in general, it was more just a statement of where we are right now.

    If VT is going to choose to stick with "their" way of doing things, they could at least do those things well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveInBaltimore View Post
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    So pick your poison: we haven't changed our philosophy at a time when the game has changed. And we don't execute the old philosophy worth a damn either.
    At first I agreed. But you can't tell me the philosophy of solid special teams, field position, ball control can't work. We don't line up and play smash mouth football anymore. We did change. We run the read option primarily and rarely ever line up and drive downhill. The talent just isn't there to play that old style. We're stuck with nimble athletic linemen who can't get us the push up front when we need it. And we don't have enough skilled players on offense we need to compete against the tough opponents we face. I do think it will get better.... has to.

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    Let's turn it over and look at wins by 20+ during the same period ...

    (Excluding OOC games against teams from the smaller conferences.)

    1995: Rut (28), WVU (27), Syr (24), Tem (22)
    1996: BC (38), Tem (38)
    1997: Rut (40), Syr (28)
    1998: Clem (37), Pitt (20), Rut (40), AL (31)
    1999: Clem (20), UVA (24), Rut (38), Syr (62), Mia (33), Tem (55), BC (24)
    2000: Rut (49), Tem (22), WVU (28), UVA (21), Clem (21)
    2001: Rut (50), WVU(35), Tem (35)
    2002: Rut (21)
    2003: Rut (26), Syr (44), Mia (24)
    2004: Duke (24), MD (49)
    2005: Duke (45), GT (44), BC (20), UVA (38), UNC (27)
    2006: UNC (25), Duke (36), Wake (21)
    2007: Duke (29), GT (24), Mia (30)
    2008: none
    2009: Mia (24), BC (34), MD (27), NCSt (28), UVA (29), TN (23)

    From 2010 through 2013

    2010: Wake (31), Duke (37), UVA (30)
    2011: Wake (21), UVA (38)
    2012: Duke (21)
    2013: none


    Over the pass 4 seasons we have not hammered anyone not named Wake, Duke or UVA!



    Quote Originally Posted by Pride_and_Joy View Post
    From 1995 to 2009, VT's record was 147-45 (.766) and VT only suffered 8 losses by 20 points or more...

    1995: none
    1996: Syracuse (31), Nebraska (20)
    1997: UNC (39)
    1998: none
    1999: none
    2000: Miami (20)
    2001: Pitt (31)
    2002: none
    2003: WVU (21)
    2004: none
    2005: Miami (20)
    2006: none
    2007: LSU (41)
    2008: none
    2009: none

    From 2010 through 2013, VT's record is 37-17 (.685) with six losses by 20 points or more...

    2010: Stanford (28)
    2011: Clemson (20), Clemson (28)
    2012: Clemson (21)
    2013: Alabama (25), UCLA (30)

    Our winning percentage is down a bit, which isn't good. But more disturbing is the number of times VT has gotten woodshedded. In 15 years, we only lost by 20 or more EIGHT TIMES. In the past 4 years, its happened SIX TIMES. This trend may, in part, be explained by playing better competition. But I think it is also related to the fact that VT use to be a very tough out. We were a team that battled for sixty minutes and physically punished teams -- even teams that beat us. Recently, we've just become another team on the ACC schedule. When we're outmatched athletically or out-schemed, we don't seem to have the same resiliency we had in the past. Thoughts?

    One more thing, during that 15 year stretch, we never had more than two years in a row in which we lost a game or games by 20+. In other words, if it happened one or two years in a row, we corrected it. We've now had it happen at least once in each of the past four seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86TechHokie View Post

    2010: Wake (31), Duke (37), UVA (30)
    2011: Wake (21), UVA (38)
    2012: Duke (21)
    2013: none

    Over the pass 4 seasons we have not hammered anyone not named Wake, Duke or UVA!
    I had memories of us only beating the "beatable" teams going back before 2010...a schedule padded with panzies to reach 10 wins.

    It is interesting though. A list of "beatable" teams (ie. unranked from mid-major and up) and "average" win margin by year would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesrule98 View Post
    I don't think he was saying Frank can't fix it, or that it's not fixable in general, it was more just a statement of where we are right now.

    If VT is going to choose to stick with "their" way of doing things, they could at least do those things well.
    Last sentence is where most fans are on both sides of the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86TechHokie View Post
    (Excluding OOC games against teams from the smaller conferences.)

    1995: Rut (28), WVU (27), Syr (24), Tem (22)
    1996: BC (38), Tem (38)
    1997: Rut (40), Syr (28)
    1998: Clem (37), Pitt (20), Rut (40), AL (31)
    1999: Clem (20), UVA (24), Rut (38), Syr (62), Mia (33), Tem (55), BC (24)
    2000: Rut (49), Tem (22), WVU (28), UVA (21), Clem (21)
    2001: Rut (50), WVU(35), Tem (35)
    2002: Rut (21)
    2003: Rut (26), Syr (44), Mia (24)
    2004: Duke (24), MD (49)
    2005: Duke (45), GT (44), BC (20), UVA (38), UNC (27)
    2006: UNC (25), Duke (36), Wake (21)
    2007: Duke (29), GT (24), Mia (30)
    2008: none
    2009: Mia (24), BC (34), MD (27), NCSt (28), UVA (29), TN (23)

    From 2010 through 2013

    2010: Wake (31), Duke (37), UVA (30)
    2011: Wake (21), UVA (38)
    2012: Duke (21)
    2013: none


    Over the pass 4 seasons we have not hammered anyone not named Wake, Duke or UVA!
    One word: Talent

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