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    Secondary play yesterday..by far the worst of the season.

    Faycson and Fuller picked an odd time to play their worst game. First time I can remember either looking like freshman, and they both did on the same day. Fuller had been a very good tackler all year, and he alligator armed at least 4 tackles by my count. Faycson had some of the best on the ball skills I've ever seen, and he looked lost out there yesterday.

    Jarrett obviously with a key missed tackle on the 3rd and 12 at 14-10 from UCLA 28. He missed that, UCLA runs down makes it 21-10, and it's over from there.

    Overall, we have about 6 balls tipped in the air. Tough break we couldn't get 2 of them to land in our arms. Normally we do.

    And another thing, holy cow Chuck Clark isn't in the same zip code as Kyle Fuller. Wow, what a drop off. Clark was awful. Don't think he made a single good play the whole day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesrule98 View Post
    Faycson and Fuller picked an odd time to play their worst game. First time I can remember either looking like freshman, and they both did on the same day. Fuller had been a very good tackler all year, and he alligator armed at least 4 tackles by my count. Faycson had some of the best on the ball skills I've ever seen, and he looked lost out there yesterday.

    Jarrett obviously with a key missed tackle on the 3rd and 12 at 14-10 from UCLA 28. He missed that, UCLA runs down makes it 21-10, and it's over from there.

    Overall, we have about 6 balls tipped in the air. Tough break we couldn't get 2 of them to land in our arms. Normally we do.

    And another thing, holy cow Chuck Clark isn't in the same zip code as Kyle Fuller. Wow, what a drop off. Clark was awful. Don't think he made a single good play the whole day.
    In terms of Facyson and Fuller, is it possible they were not really challenged this year? I say that because VT didn't have to play Clemson or FSU this year and I can't help but think that those teams have the greatest chance to make either player look like a freshmen. In terms of lack of depth/talent on the bench, would addition game experience during the regular season help reduce that gap some? I understand a coach wants to play his best players all the time. However, if the backups don't get any meaningful reps during the season then I would think it would put them behind the 8-ball in any bowl game when they may be pressed into action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesrule98 View Post
    Faycson and Fuller picked an odd time to play their worst game. First time I can remember either looking like freshman, and they both did on the same day. Fuller had been a very good tackler all year, and he alligator armed at least 4 tackles by my count. Faycson had some of the best on the ball skills I've ever seen, and he looked lost out there yesterday.

    Jarrett obviously with a key missed tackle on the 3rd and 12 at 14-10 from UCLA 28. He missed that, UCLA runs down makes it 21-10, and it's over from there.

    Overall, we have about 6 balls tipped in the air. Tough break we couldn't get 2 of them to land in our arms. Normally we do.

    And another thing, holy cow Chuck Clark isn't in the same zip code as Kyle Fuller. Wow, what a drop off. Clark was awful. Don't think he made a single good play the whole day.
    Didn't see all that...except for Fulker getting beat deep late...they were on an island vs physical, big west coast WRs...they were going to make some catches...but I don't recall any huge pass plays until the last one...mainly short throws on slants. Hundleys huge runs were the big killers and those are on the DL and LBs

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiepro View Post
    Didn't see all that...except for Fulker getting beat deep late...they were on an island vs physical, big west coast WRs...they were going to make some catches...but I don't recall any huge pass plays until the last one...mainly short throws on slants. Hundleys huge runs were the big killers and those are on the DL and LBs
    I would say short passes are just as killer as the long passes, in some cases maybe even more of a killer. I say that because short passes are what OCs use to boost a QB's confidence. Also, a defense has 3 opportunities to keep an offense from gaining a first down which means the offense can only average 3 yards per play. If an offense can average 4 yards on short passes, then it is a good chance the offense will be able to nickel and dime its way down the field. I have seen offenses nickel and dime there way to have 10-15 play scoring drive. If an offense keeps doing that over and over then eventually it will take its toll on the defense in the second half. People will remember the big plays more because they often will appear in the post game highlights, but it is the nickel and dime plays that will do the most damage and set up the big plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTHokie2000 View Post
    I would say short passes are just as killer as the long passes, in some cases maybe even more of a killer. I say that because short passes are what OCs use to boost a QB's confidence. Also, a defense has 3 opportunities to keep an offense from gaining a first down which means the offense can only average 3 yards per play. If an offense can average 4 yards on short passes, then it is a good chance the offense will be able to nickel and dime its way down the field. I have seen offenses nickel and dime there way to have 10-15 play scoring drive. If an offense keeps doing that over and over then eventually it will take its toll on the defense in the second half. People will remember the big plays more because they often will appear in the post game highlights, but it is the nickel and dime plays that will do the most damage and set up the big plays.
    Didn't think that was the case in this game...it was the first series of penalties and Hundley runs, 2nd big play TD (because we were blanketing WRs in man covg), 3rd TD came after Jarrett blew a tackle in 3rd and long. 4th and 5th TDs were on Leal INTs. As I said, the play of Fuller and Facyson I only noticed on the last TD when Fuller was beaten. Yes they got a few first downs on them, but that will happen vs a top flight offense

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiepro View Post
    Didn't think that was the case in this game...it was the first series of penalties and Hundley runs, 2nd big play TD (because we were blanketing WRs in man covg), 3rd TD came after Jarrett blew a tackle in 3rd and long. 4th and 5th TDs were on Leal INTs. As I said, the play of Fuller and Facyson I only noticed on the last TD when Fuller was beaten. Yes they got a few first downs on them, but that will happen vs a top flight offense
    UCLA's 5th TD was an 8 yard pass from Hundley to Duarte. UCLA had 6 passes for under 10 yards and 7 passes for 10-15 yards (all by Hundley). Hundley went 16-29 in the game which means he only had 3 passes over 15 yards (18 yards, 32 yards, and 59 yards). A case can be made that the passing game set up UCLA's 3rd TD. Hundley completed passes for -4 yards, 32 yards, 13 yards, 15 yards, and 11 yards. In that series UCLA only had to deal with 3rd Down 1 time which resulted in a completion for 32 yards. As a result UCLA was able to put togeter a 12 play drive that took 4:28 off the clock.

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    Not only were there some bounce-and-runs, but there were some absolute whiffs out there, too. Almost made you want to start chanting "air ball, air ball". Very uncharacteristic, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesrule98 View Post
    Faycson and Fuller picked an odd time to play their worst game. First time I can remember either looking like freshman, and they both did on the same day. Fuller had been a very good tackler all year, and he alligator armed at least 4 tackles by my count. Faycson had some of the best on the ball skills I've ever seen, and he looked lost out there yesterday.

    Jarrett obviously with a key missed tackle on the 3rd and 12 at 14-10 from UCLA 28. He missed that, UCLA runs down makes it 21-10, and it's over from there.

    Overall, we have about 6 balls tipped in the air. Tough break we couldn't get 2 of them to land in our arms. Normally we do.

    And another thing, holy cow Chuck Clark isn't in the same zip code as Kyle Fuller. Wow, what a drop off. Clark was awful. Don't think he made a single good play the whole day.
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    Clark to Kyle isn't a fair comparison. CC didn't look great, but for a true freshman playing his first meaningful minutes he certainly wasnt the biggest liability on the field cough*Bonner*cough. UCLA is a very good offensive team with a future pro at QB and one of the bright young coaches in the game, can't blame Brandon and Kendall for giving up short passes when they had to stay on a swivel to watch Hundley's scrambling.

    The future at DB looks incredibly bright with Clark, Facyson, Fuller all true freshman and Fisher+Reavis inbound.

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesrule98 View Post
    Faycson and Fuller picked an odd time to play their worst game. First time I can remember either looking like freshman, and they both did on the same day. Fuller had been a very good tackler all year, and he alligator armed at least 4 tackles by my count. Faycson had some of the best on the ball skills I've ever seen, and he looked lost out there yesterday.

    Jarrett obviously with a key missed tackle on the 3rd and 12 at 14-10 from UCLA 28. He missed that, UCLA runs down makes it 21-10, and it's over from there.

    Overall, we have about 6 balls tipped in the air. Tough break we couldn't get 2 of them to land in our arms. Normally we do.

    And another thing, holy cow Chuck Clark isn't in the same zip code as Kyle Fuller. Wow, what a drop off. Clark was awful. Don't think he made a single good play the whole day.

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