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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoakie82 View Post
    I don't think either will drop football but I doubt either will ever rise to the success of Stanford or even Northwestern or Vaderbilt. Duke and Wake Forest are just much smaller. Plus, there are to many schools all in the same general area splitting the player pool. Wake Forest had one good year when Clemson and FSU were struggling. WF didn't beat us that year but I don't remember why we didn't get to go to the ACCCG.
    We lost to GT at Lane and then played one of the worst games as an ACC member to BC the next week. Just a bad 2 week stretch did us in that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesuisvtguy View Post
    Football valuations: Duke: $62M, Texas: $761M [link]

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...183417888.html
    Duke is still more valuable than Pitt, Vandy, Mizzou, and Cincy according to that chart. Kentucky is worth more than Tech and they stink 80% of the time. As for endowments, Duke (#15) has the largest among ACC football schools at $5.5 Billion. UVa (#19) is second at $4.7 Billion. Meanwhile, Texas is third at $18.2 Billion. A lot of Texas oil money. Notre Dame is #13 at $6.3 Billion. Football and athletics money is chump change compared to endowments. That's why Duke has potential, but they seem to rather put their money into men's basketball, soccer, and lacrosse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesuisvtguy View Post
    NorthEast Pod
    A) Syracuse B) Boston College
    A) Louisville B) Pittsburgh

    MidEastern Pod
    A) Virginia Tech B) UVA
    A) UNC B) NC State

    SouthEastern Pod
    A) Clemson B) Georgia Tech
    A) Miami B) FSU

    SouthCentral Pod
    A) Oklahoma State B) Oklahoma
    A) Texas B) Texas Tech or Baylor

    How it Works:

    1. I realize that the above pod system is somewhat radical because it does not include Duke and Wake. The solution is to allow Duke and Wake to participate as non-ACC Football members, similar to Notre Dame's arrangement. Maybe this is unrealistic, but the reality is Wake and Duke are highly unlikely to sustainably compete as ACC football members. They bring very little to the ACC in football, so let them get the financial and scheduling benefits of playing some ACC opponents each year, but not to the point where they get constantly beat up both record-wise and financially. They will still be full-time ACC basketball and olympic sports members, just like ND.

    2. The other somewhat radical factor is that a conference championship game can still be staged without the current silly format where each team must play each team within it's own division. For conference championships, the top 2 teams overall based on conference standing (or ranking) play in the championship game.

    3. Scheduling wise, each team plays each other team within their own Pod every year, which helps minimize travel costs and ensures yearly regional rivals. No more designated cross-over rivalries.

    4. A single team in group A shall play each other team from group A one year home/away, then play that same team from group A the next year away/home. Then, do the same with each team from group B the following 2 years.
    This balances strength of schedules, encourages some travel to different regions of the country regularly, and forces each team to go no more than just 2 years without playing a team in the ACC.

    5. The following teams will play a minimum of 5 floating games per year that do not count toward ACC Standings: Notre Dame, Duke, Wake. If Duke wants to play UNC each year, then either slot it in as an OOC game for UNC, or don't actually force Duke and Wake to rotate through each team like ND does, since non Carolina teams are probably fine not playing them anyway.

    Example of VT's schedule:

    Year 1: UVA, UNC, @NC State | Syracuse, Lousville, Clemson, @Miami, @Oklahoma State, @Texas, OOC1, OOC2
    Year 2:@UVA, @UNC, NC State | @Syracuse, @Lousville, @Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma State, Texas, OOC1, OOC2
    Year 3: UVA, UNC, @NC State | Boston College, Pittsburg, Georgia Tech, @FSU, @Oklahoma, @Texas Tech, @Notre Dame, OOC2
    Year 4: @UVA, @UNC, NC State | @Boston College, @Pittsburg, @Georgia Tech, FSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, OOC1, OOC2
    None of the hodge podge stuff. Just do 20 w/ Duke,Wake,Baylor,ND. The NE could use ND to beef it up, the SE could use Wake to give them some easy wins, Texas could keep Baylor AND TT on schedule, and UNC and NCSt. could keep Duke on their schedules. That to me looks like the perfect set up. 4 pods of 5. You play your own pod and another each year in 9 league games that ALL count. You would play a home and away with each team every six years. That isn't too bad if you ask me. Every year, VT would play UVA, UNC, and NC St in its pod creating some major rivalries. And then we would play ND, Louisville, Pitt in yrs 1 and 2. We would play FSU, Miami, Clemson in yrs 3 and 4. And we would play Texas, Okla, OkSt in yrs 5 and 6. And we would have 3 OOC games to play with as well!
    Last edited by chuckd4vt; Fri Jul 19 2013 at 05:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obguthr View Post
    Wake Forest won the ACC in 2006.
    Didn't we spank them badly towards the end of that season?
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    I don't think UT comes until ND joins for football. JMO

    Quote Originally Posted by jesuisvtguy View Post
    How to get Texas and make the ACC the best FB and BBall conference.

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    I just don't get the animosity towards Texas.

    Quote Originally Posted by obguthr View Post
    I personally don't want Texas. If ACC survival is at stake, I'd rather take the Oklahoma duo.
    Texas has leverage and they use it. That's just smart business.

    As for Oklahoma, I can't imagine any scenario where bringing in the state of Oklahoma would be preferable to bringing in the Lone Star state. Oklahoma is - and I don't think I'm exaggerating - one of the worst US locales I've ever visited. Outside of the little oasis in Norman, I can't imagine ever going there voluntarily.

    Dallas, Austin, Fort Worth - now that's a state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obguthr View Post
    Wake Forest won the ACC in 2006.
    And they've been sub-.500 since. It's not going to be easy for programs like Wake as the money gap widens between programs. I can't imagine a tiny school like Wake, with it's 30k seat stadium, being a factor going forward.

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    Having Texas in the ACC would make it one of the worst conferences. They are just too selfish and non-collegial.
    Quote Originally Posted by jesuisvtguy View Post
    NorthEast Pod
    A) Syracuse B) Boston College
    A) Louisville B) Pittsburgh

    MidEastern Pod
    A) Virginia Tech B) UVA
    A) UNC B) NC State

    SouthEastern Pod
    A) Clemson B) Georgia Tech
    A) Miami B) FSU

    SouthCentral Pod
    A) Oklahoma State B) Oklahoma
    A) Texas B) Texas Tech or Baylor

    How it Works:

    1. I realize that the above pod system is somewhat radical because it does not include Duke and Wake. The solution is to allow Duke and Wake to participate as non-ACC Football members, similar to Notre Dame's arrangement. Maybe this is unrealistic, but the reality is Wake and Duke are highly unlikely to sustainably compete as ACC football members. They bring very little to the ACC in football, so let them get the financial and scheduling benefits of playing some ACC opponents each year, but not to the point where they get constantly beat up both record-wise and financially. They will still be full-time ACC basketball and olympic sports members, just like ND.

    2. The other somewhat radical factor is that a conference championship game can still be staged without the current silly format where each team must play each team within it's own division. For conference championships, the top 2 teams overall based on conference standing (or ranking) play in the championship game.

    3. Scheduling wise, each team plays each other team within their own Pod every year, which helps minimize travel costs and ensures yearly regional rivals. No more designated cross-over rivalries.

    4. A single team in group A shall play each other team from group A one year home/away, then play that same team from group A the next year away/home. Then, do the same with each team from group B the following 2 years.
    This balances strength of schedules, encourages some travel to different regions of the country regularly, and forces each team to go no more than just 2 years without playing a team in the ACC.

    5. The following teams will play a minimum of 5 floating games per year that do not count toward ACC Standings: Notre Dame, Duke, Wake. If Duke wants to play UNC each year, then either slot it in as an OOC game for UNC, or don't actually force Duke and Wake to rotate through each team like ND does, since non Carolina teams are probably fine not playing them anyway.

    Example of VT's schedule:

    Year 1: UVA, UNC, @NC State | Syracuse, Lousville, Clemson, @Miami, @Oklahoma State, @Texas, OOC1, OOC2
    Year 2:@UVA, @UNC, NC State | @Syracuse, @Lousville, @Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma State, Texas, OOC1, OOC2
    Year 3: UVA, UNC, @NC State | Boston College, Pittsburg, Georgia Tech, @FSU, @Oklahoma, @Texas Tech, @Notre Dame, OOC2
    Year 4: @UVA, @UNC, NC State | @Boston College, @Pittsburg, @Georgia Tech, FSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, OOC1, OOC2

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    Indeed we did open up a can of "Whip ****" on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgeman View Post
    Didn't we spank them badly towards the end of that season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgeman View Post
    Didn't we spank them badly towards the end of that season?
    Yes, at Wake too. That was a great roadtrip, but I"m not sure if that was the game where the Wake fans accused the VT fans of making counterfeit tickets and basically having more people inside the stadium than actual tickets sold. I know I had some family members who were sitting near the Wake student section and some Wake fans said they were sitting in their seats (I know those weren't counterfeit tickets though since I purchased them online for them).That was the game the Wake fans were crying about a hard hit by Aaron Rouse that caused a Wake fumble.
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