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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfesser View Post
    Despite what many in the blogosphere think, I don't see the B1G offering GT or UVa. They don't fit the profile. They're too small. ND is truly a special case: broad national appeal (Catholics are the single largest religious group in the US), Midwest location, existing rivalries, and tradition. Rutgers and MD fit the B1G profile -- large student body, land-grant status, AAU membership. The only one of those characteristics that truly fits UNC, GT, and UVa is the AAU membership. And I don't think FSU is going to reach AAU status any time soon, even with CIC support. They're sort of the anti-Tech -- too little focus on graduate STEM. Only about 5% of their PhDs are awarded in STEM fields -- the bulk are in the humanities, arts, and social sciences. It's a lot easier to ramp up research in those (relatively) low-cost areas than it is in the STEM fields. I won't say "never," but it'd be truly surprising to see FSU join the AAU within a decade.
    UNC is the prize (for the B1G and the SEC). both would be willing to compromise their general profile for 1 or 2 schools if it helps them get UNC IMO. for the B1G, uva and GT may have been bait to get UNC's ear.

    to answer those who joke about conferences having nothing to do with academics, on the surface, sure, it seems crazy, but Presidents are the decision makers. Presidents want to align with other Presidents with similar goals. Athletics is nothing but a marketing division of a major university, so think of athletics conferences as university marketing partnerships. some Presidents would prefer not to align their marketing efforts with schools that don't align with their academic profile/mission.

    L'ville, i believe, was a decision made in fear of the ACC falling apart. ACC Presidents were willing to "sacrifice" the overall profile of the league in an effort to keep the existing partnerships intact.

    all that said, if a university's athletic department was put in a position of being irrelevant, the President would have to decide what to do, and would likely seek a path of relevance since athletics is the face of the university. that is why people say the most presidents in the ACC want it to remain intact, but if it begins to fall apart, it would ultimately be every man for themselves.

    going full circle in this thread back to the AAU question. it's simple, AAU schools like to be affiliated with one another (including through marketing/sports), and schools aspiring to be AAU would be doing themselves a favor by aligning themselves as closely as possible with other AAU schools. Sports may not be the only way, but it's a really good one since athletics conference presidents are very active with one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfesser View Post
    Despite what many in the blogosphere think, I don't see the B1G offering GT or UVa. They don't fit the profile. They're too small. ND is truly a special case: broad national appeal (Catholics are the single largest religious group in the US), Midwest location, existing rivalries, and tradition. Rutgers and MD fit the B1G profile -- large student body, land-grant status, AAU membership. The only one of those characteristics that truly fits UNC, GT, and UVa is the AAU membership. And I don't think FSU is going to reach AAU status any time soon, even with CIC support. They're sort of the anti-Tech -- too little focus on graduate STEM. Only about 5% of their PhDs are awarded in STEM fields -- the bulk are in the humanities, arts, and social sciences. It's a lot easier to ramp up research in those (relatively) low-cost areas than it is in the STEM fields. I won't say "never," but it'd be truly surprising to see FSU join the AAU within a decade.
    WADR, GT and UVA aren't chopped liver in the B1G's eyes. GT is ranked much higher than Maryland or Rutgers in research spending and UVA aint far behind the two. Additionally, they both have much larger endowments than they do. UVA's is TEN TIMES what Maryland's is. And from an athletics perspective, UVA is a top 5 or 10 AD and GT aint too bad. Both have GREAT facilities and programs. The B1G has stated how it wants to move south inorder to recruit and they obviously are salivating over moving their brand/network into two of the fastest growing states in the nation. It would KILL the ACC and damage the SEC too. Anyhow, those two are certainly appealing to the B1G, the commish publicly stated their interest in GT. Other than their relatively smaller student populations, they are incredible adds for a conference interested in both academic and athletic reputation/potential. And BTW, I could see them going slumming w/ FSU in order to bring in UVA, GT, and UNC. And they wouldn't mind the tens of millions of dollars the Noles would add in fball/TV money either. Ya see how the ACC reluctantly did so with Louisville recently? If the ACC can tolerate Louisville, the B1G can tolerate FSU. And they can certainly stomach adding UVA and GT, 2 of the 10 best public schools in the nation. LOL!
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    LSU Academic Budget is apx. $800 million. LSU Athletic Budget is apx. $80 million.

    You can talk about how athletics drives the bus, but not the people that pay the bills.

    Quote Originally Posted by LSU Tiger View Post
    Notre Dame is not an AAU school. No conference wants them for that very reason. That is why they have been independent for so long.

    Conferences are all about academics. Athletics have nothing to do with it. Think about that. How many major football programs would exist were it not for the supplementary funding they receive from their schools' physics departments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4vt View Post
    WADR, GT and UVA aren't chopped liver in the B1G's eyes. GT is ranked much higher than Maryland or Rutgers in research spending and UVA aint far behind the two. Additionally, they both have much larger endowments than they do. UVA's is TEN TIMES what Maryland's is. And from an athletics perspective, UVA is a top 5 or 10 AD and GT aint too bad. Both have GREAT facilities and programs. The B1G has stated how it wants to move south inorder to recruit and they obviously are salivating over moving their brand/network into two of the fastest growing states in the nation. It would KILL the ACC and damage the SEC too. Anyhow, those two are certainly appealing to the B1G, the commish publicly stated their interest in GT. Other than their relatively smaller student populations, they are incredible adds for a conference interested in both academic and athletic reputation/potential. And BTW, I could see them going slumming w/ FSU in order to bring in UVA, GT, and UNC. And they wouldn't mind the tens of millions of dollars the Noles would add in fball/TV money either. Ya see how the ACC reluctantly did so with Louisville recently? If the ACC can tolerate Louisville, the B1G can tolerate FSU. And they can certainly stomach adding UVA and GT, 2 of the 10 best public schools in the nation. LOL!
    GT and UVa have the academic reputation and the endowment, no question. But they are small. The only B1G school with a smaller enrollment than those two is Northwestern. UMd and Rutgers are much closer in size to the mean and median student population in the B1G -- and almost twice the size of UVa and GT. UMd and Rutgers also more closely fit the B1G's mission profile. GT and UVa are also, well, elitist. Even the snobs among the B1G (Michigan and Indiana) see their role as more in the land-grant model than in the public ivy realm (even as they lay claim to the public ivy mantle).

    And arguing that the B1G will do something (add FSU) because the ACC did something similar is a fallacy. Academics matters to the B1G -- perhaps more than athletics does. Chicago is the proof of this. They kept Chicago in the CIC even after it dropped big-time football. The B1G is more likely to offer somebody membership in the CIC but not the athletic conference than they are the reverse. The only source for anyFSU -> B1G rumor is the postings of a couple of FSU homers (linked in a thread far below).

    And I have yet to see anybody offer a convincing argument for UNC leaving the ACC. Why would they? In any other conference, they'd be one of the masses. In the ACC, they call the shots. They're more interested in stabilizing the conference than in looking for greener pastures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4vt View Post
    WADR, GT and UVA aren't chopped liver in the B1G's eyes. GT is ranked much higher than Maryland or Rutgers in research spending and UVA aint far behind the two. Additionally, they both have much larger endowments than they do. UVA's is TEN TIMES what Maryland's is. And from an athletics perspective, UVA is a top 5 or 10 AD and GT aint too bad. Both have GREAT facilities and programs. The B1G has stated how it wants to move south inorder to recruit and they obviously are salivating over moving their brand/network into two of the fastest growing states in the nation. It would KILL the ACC and damage the SEC too. Anyhow, those two are certainly appealing to the B1G, the commish publicly stated their interest in GT. Other than their relatively smaller student populations, they are incredible adds for a conference interested in both academic and athletic reputation/potential. And BTW, I could see them going slumming w/ FSU in order to bring in UVA, GT, and UNC. And they wouldn't mind the tens of millions of dollars the Noles would add in fball/TV money either. Ya see how the ACC reluctantly did so with Louisville recently? If the ACC can tolerate Louisville, the B1G can tolerate FSU. And they can certainly stomach adding UVA and GT, 2 of the 10 best public schools in the nation. LOL!
    When did Big 10 commissioner Jim Delany publicly state the Big 10's interest in GT? The only statements that I have read were from internet bloggers who were simply speculating. If he has, please attach a link of Delany's public statement concerning the Big 10's interest in Georgia Tech because I can't find anything.

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    The more attractive a school can make itself, the better off it will be going forward. This is true in expansion and many other things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atlee Hokie View Post
    AAU status is only important to Big 10 WRT conference expansion.

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    Give the poor guy a break, he's been consistently wrong so many times that he might legitimately be going cuckoo.
    But on the positive side, he's turned being wrong into an art!

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    Funny, but the SEC will be adding AAU members when possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by LSU Tiger View Post
    Notre Dame is not an AAU school. No conference wants them for that very reason. That is why they have been independent for so long.

    Conferences are all about academics. Athletics have nothing to do with it. Think about that. How many major football programs would exist were it not for the supplementary funding they receive from their schools' physics departments?
    A&M, Mizzou, and I'm sure they'd love to have UNC. Academic standing matters a lot more than you think.

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