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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveInBaltimore View Post
    OK, but I just want to point out that whenever anyone mentioned injuries, illnesses, and all the other factors that kept Greenberg's teams from doing as well as we hoped, there were quite a few people on here who constantly said those were just excuses, and that the bottom line was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except the # of tournaments you make. Period. We had players dying of cancer, losing family members, suffering multiple ACL tears, rare life-threatening, heart conditions. But there was a vocal # of people around here who said all that was a bunch of excuses and that you either SUCCEED (make the tournament) or FAIL (period). I was a Greenberg supporter and I can't tell you how many times I had that kind of line thrown in my face on this board.

    So now all of a sudden we're supposed to give the coach a break because the players got hte flu? I hope you can understand how, after having been told not to "make excuses" for Greenberg and that he must be judged a failure based only on # of tournament appearances, that now I read 30 posts a week talking about the hand that Johnson has been dealt, injuries, flu, etc. Suddenly excuse-making is apparently OK because we have a nicer guy as head coach, apparently.
    Greenberg had NINE years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buy These! View Post
    Greenberg had NINE years
    And his worst season was 2 games under .500. We'll see much worse than that. Men's basketball is headed the same direction as the women's program, if you can call it a program. How many year's is Wolff going to be given to win a single digit number of games until he gets "his players" in the program? He's going to have two worse seasons than Dunkenberger ever had in his first two.

    Hell, even Greenberg won with those less than talented Stokes' teams. If a coach can win with another coach's players, he must be pretty decent.

    This program is headed one direction - down - and it is going to do it fast.

    The important thing, I suppose, is they'll have fun losing.
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    Jim Weaver...athletic director since 1997. I know this much, the man has spent the better part of the last 16 years hiring FIVE different basketball coaches for both mens and womens teams. And I think there might be 2 NCAA tourneys to show for it (if my memory is right) across those 30+ plus years of basketball. And one of those was thanks to Bonnie's team she left behind and Jim decided not to pay and run into the ground. Think about it...30+ years and our mens team is struggling around .500 ball and our womens team is in awful shape. Not what I personally call progress. I know who I blame when I get frustrated watching hoops. I hope JJ makes it and turns it around...seems like a great guy and frankly, I have no interest in Jim thinking about hiring another roundball coach.


    Quote Originally Posted by 133245Hokie View Post
    I honestly have no idea how JJ's tenure as head coach will turnout. I certainly hope it is very successful and for a very long period of time. But I have no clue, nor does anyone else.

    Anybody remember Frank Beamer and his 2-8-1 record? What did that tell us about the future of Va. Tech football? Following that season how many of you predicted that we would go to 20 straight bowl games, play for the National Championship, go eight straight years winning 10 or more games. Did you know then that we would win multiple championships in the Big East and the ACC, be a mainstay among the nation's top twenty teams, be considered one of the elite programs in college football and have the winningest active coach in the country. No one could have predict any that 2-8-1 season and no one can predict what will happen to the basketball program under James Johnson.

    We know that JJ took over a team that was short on talent and short on depth. We know that he started out with a strong winning record that no one expected. We know that he was good enough as a coach to defeat the then number 15 team in the country (Olka. State) but bad enough to lose to a terrible team in Ga. State. We know that when he was winning the team was shooting lights out but when they seemed to lose their confidence, following the one pt. loss at West Va. their shooting touch went away (with the exception of Green). We know that we went from one of the highest scoring teams in the country to a team struggling to score. It is hard to win games when you can't score.

    We know that since the fast start JJ has had to deal with injuries to two key players in Wood (foot) and Barksdale (knee). We know the flue bug seemed to have hit almost every player on the team to some degree causing some players to play sick, weak or not at all. During this time we know that JJ was forced to play walk-on players for major minutes and employee a variety of defenses to protect players from foul trouble.

    We know that defense has been poor although we have been told that they are practicing a wide variety of defensive drills everyday in practice. In recent games it seems to have improved.

    Through all of this with, the losing included, JJ has kept this team together. For the most part they continue to play hard with good effort. They have managed to win two games against ACC competition hang tough against what is arguably the best team in the conference (Miami) and come within a basket of defeating UNC in the Dean Dome.

    Seldom have I heard him make excuses. He hates losing and you can hear it in his voice following a loss. He still has high expectation for this team and you can tell when he feels the team is not playing up to their potential in post game interviews.

    We know that he put together a pretty good recruiting year even though he was working with a time handicap. This according to RevZeke. Still some on this board have already written off next year before a single one of these recruits have stepped foot on campus. This negative attitude is based on what facts?

    Some on this board have already written James Johnson's obituary as coach and have forecast the decimation of the VT basketball program. Following the OT loss to Carolina one poster said that Johnson is "over his head and can't coach". Really? If Erick Green makes the final shot in regulation time and Tech wins couldn't we say that Roy Williams, one of the best in the business, was out coached by JJ. After all Williams was coaching a team that is far more talented, far deeper and was playing in front of 21,000 Carolina fans. In truth there is no way Tech should have won that game but they almost did. Give JJ some credit.

    I know some people never wanted JJ to be named head coach. They wanted a big name coach or a proven coach to be hired. So did I. But I will not use the team struggles to bash Johnson to prove that this was a bad hire. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. Only time will tell. But to use this one season to make a decision is in my opinion short sighted. Give the man a chance. Lets see what he can do when he has a full team of his own players where he can employ his own style of basketball to its fullest potential. I do know that most great coaches were at one time assistant coaches and someone gave then a chance to become the head coach and run their own program. We all owe James Johnson as much.

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    Excellent post!!

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    Lost players... lost depth... lost games

    Give him back this... and see how we are doing...

    Manny Atkins Georgia St 14pts/6reb
    Ben Boggs Valpo 6pts /3reb
    J T Thompson UNC Charlotte 5pts /3reb
    Tyrone Garland LaSalle 12pts/2reb
    Montrezl Harrell Louisville 7pts /4reb
    Allan Chaney High Point 15pts/8reb
    D.Finney-Smith Florida sitting out

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    Quote Originally Posted by just2selltickets View Post
    And his worst season was 2 games under .500. We'll see much worse than that. Men's basketball is headed the same direction as the women's program, if you can call it a program. How many year's is Wolff going to be given to win a single digit number of games until he gets "his players" in the program? He's going to have two worse seasons than Dunkenberger ever had in his first two.

    Hell, even Greenberg won with those less than talented Stokes' teams. If a coach can win with another coach's players, he must be pretty decent.

    This program is headed one direction - down - and it is going to do it fast.

    The important thing, I suppose, is they'll have fun losing.
    So Greenberg gets NO blame for chasing off so many players and having no depth yr after yr? JJ was not hired in a desirable timetable for recruiting. He deserves a little time (a lot more than 20 games) to be judged. It's amazing how much criticism VT bball is getting after losing on the road AT UNC in OVERTIME

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Chip Hokie View Post
    Give him back this... and see how we are doing...

    Manny Atkins Georgia St 14pts/6reb
    Ben Boggs Valpo 6pts /3reb
    J T Thompson UNC Charlotte 5pts /3reb
    Tyrone Garland LaSalle 12pts/2reb
    Montrezl Harrell Louisville 7pts /4reb
    Allan Chaney High Point 15pts/8reb
    D.Finney-Smith Florida sitting out
    one of the reasons Harrell left because he was hired so why would he get him back?

    And didn't Chaney have health issues and Thompson wanted to be closer to his kid? How are these anyone's fault and why should CJJ get them when Seth didn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiepro View Post
    So Greenberg gets NO blame for chasing off so many players and having no depth yr after yr? JJ was not hired in a desirable timetable for recruiting. He deserves a little time (a lot more than 20 games) to be judged. It's amazing how much criticism VT bball is getting after losing on the road AT UNC in OVERTIME
    No one is judging him off of wins and losses (at least I'm not)...I'm judging him off of the huge lapses he continues to make as a coach.

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    "I honestly have no idea how JJ's tenure as head coach will turnout. I certainly hope it is very successful and for a very long period of time. But I have no clue, nor does anyone else."

    Thank you for your outstanding overview

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokie2014 View Post
    one of the reasons Harrell left because he was hired so why would he get him back?

    And didn't Chaney have health issues and Thompson wanted to be closer to his kid? How are these anyone's fault and why should CJJ get them when Seth didn't?
    On the subject of Harrell, I was under the distinct, but possibly erroneous impression, that he was getting a severe case of cold feet some time before Seth falsely denied he was in touch with SMU and his subsequent firing by Weaver. I wish that Chris and/or Will would jump in here and set us all "straight" on this particular topic. I think Seth's firing may have smoothed the way for Harrell to jump ship, something he and his family wanted to do in any case. I'm not any fan at all of either Seth or JJ, but in fairness to both men, Harrell had both arms and one leg out the door already. JJ tried to talk Harrell into honoring his LOI.

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